The run on the banks menatlity on these forums - Economic Crisis

Okay this run on the banks mentality is getting irritating. Lets address some economic issues:

  1. The Rupee hitting a record low. Yes it has. But tell me this which currency (other than Iran) is not experiencing a depreciation in their values? India is, the US is, the EU is, hell Japan and Australia are as well. Its not something specific to Pakistan.

  2. Increased prices and costs of commodities: Again who isn’t feeling the affects of this? Everybody is. Most countries in the world has been forced to import food this year. From India to the EU. Hell exporters of commodities like India and Egypt have imported this year. Its just not Pakistan.

  3. Capital Flight: Anybody been paying attention to Iceland? No? Well then since the start of this financial crisis they have lost 90% of their FDI in their tech and banking sectors. Europe has nationalized close to 5 of its banks and increased the guarantee on savings to ensure there is no capital flight. Capital will move to safe locations, problem is there are no safe locations right now.

  4. Loss of investor confidence: Luckily Pakistan is not as adversely affected by the current financial crisis as other countries. We had our share of flight. Now its going to stabilize. We are lucky as well that we don’t have a large manufacturing sector. The Manufacturing sector in the US contracted by huge sums this month. Shaking investor confidence in key sectors like cars and steel even further.

  5. Inflation: Same as the world. Everybody is facing inflationary pressures.

In closing: You aren’t chicken little. The sky is not falling. This is called a recession. Difference this time around is that its affecting the world and its not going to recover in a year or two.

Inflation is high even in oil rich countries like Saudi Arabia! They are feeling the pinch of rising costs.

People around the world are in panic mode. Even in US "analysts" on media were telling people their money "could be in danger" if their bank goes down. This is in US where money safety is guaranteed by "FDIC" (to a limit) and many people still panicked and took cash out from banks. There have been rumours after rumours in Pakistan, people have flown to Pakistan from US/UK to withdraw cash/empty-lockers from banks in Pakistan!

Many people don't realize that this panic cash withdrawal may lead to banks collapsing!

Also, Pakistan's banking is not really in danger as much as countries around the globe because there is not much retail credit and people at large don't borrow more than they can afford. Bigger part of Pakistan's economy runs on cash.

Things will get better sooner than that, but I doubt we'll see 'booms' to the same extents we saw in the previous 5-8 years.

It is investor confidence in the market and the reluctance of banks to lend to each other which is fuelling the whole panic selling at the moment.

In my opinion, the governments should be regulating the financial sector, setting up committees to figure out where the debts that were packaged up and sold to financial institutions around the world, who then sold them onwards to pension and hedge funds were concealed in the financial sector. Finding that out, then injecting liquidity would probably work better, as it would get rid of the whole ¨banks not lending to each other, and when lending, doing so at extremely high interest rates due to unknown 'risk factors'¨. That would get the banking system back on its feet, and hopefully resume the lending, leading to stabilisation of the property market, returning confidence to the bourses.

I've probably simplified it a lot, and western govt's probably don't have enough time to be doing that in the first place at the moment, but then again, they should have started fixing the concealment of bad funds in the financial sector last year, when the whole 'credit crunch' fiasco started.

Be optimistic!

Re: The run on the banks menatlity on these forums - Economic Crisis

People at stocks and elsewhere...for years...have been abusing the financial systems for greedy reasons...they made millions and billons...now they have sidelined those funds...so the economies look crunchy for the time being...

The same addicts (the stock players etc) will come back in a while as they have no other place to go...I don't see any worry... :)

Yes!

Re: The run on the banks menatlity on these forums - Economic Crisis

This rush can be compared to any marriage party in Pakistan... at food tiem all rush as they would be left hungry.. fighting and crashing in each other.. and whe most are filled up they see food still coming in large quantities.. at eid time withdrawl is always more than usual- added was the fear from the faultering world economy and banks..

I agree with you. In last 4 weeks 3.5 trillion $$$ worth of wealth disappeared from the Wall Street & these people are not going to keep their money in their pillows (+ its good time to buy if you have money). They will come back. Positive news is that oil prices have been in free fall. We should expect oil to drop to about $50 per barrel in next few weeks.

With the whole world in financial turmoil, things will also be bad in Pakistan

Financial crisis: Countries at risk of bankruptcy from Pakistan to Baltics - Telegraph
**Financial crisis: Countries at risk of bankruptcy from Pakistan to Baltics **

A string of countries face the risk of “going bust” as financial panic sweeps Asia, Eastern Europe, and Latin America, raising the spectre of a strategic crisis in some of the world’s most dangerous spots

Nuclear-armed Pakistan is bleeding foreign reserves at an alarming rate leading to fears that it could default on its loans.

There are mounting fears that Ukraine, Kazakhstan, and Argentina could all now slide into a downward spiral towards bankruptcy, while western banks exposed to property bubble across Eastern Europe have seen their share price crushed.

The markets are pricing an 80pc risk that Ukraine will default, based on five-year credit default swaps (CDS) – an insurance policy on a country being able to pay its debts.

The country’s banking system has begun to break down after years of torrid credit growth; its steel mills are shutting as demand collapses; and the political crisis is going from bad to worse.

President Viktor Yushchenko dissolved parliament this week in a dispute that risks bitter conflict with the country’s Russian bloc. Diplomats fear Moscow could be drawn into the crisis – or even use it as a pretext to occupy territory in a replay of the Georgia invasion this summer.

Ukraine’s government seized Prominvestbank this week, suspending payments to creditors. It closed the Kiev stock market, which has fallen 73pc this year.

Emerging market stocks have been tumbling since their peak in October, when investors were still betting that rising stars such as the BRICs (Brazil, Russia, India, China) were now strong enough to shake off a US crisis. That illusion has been shattered.

The International Monetary Fund said it is mobilising a “rapid-fire” fund worth several hundred billion dollars to stop a domino collapse across the developing world.

The trigger for the latest round of capital flight has been the lightning implosion of Iceland. BNP Paribas warned clients yesterday that the island is heading for “sovereign default” with contagion risks for other economies that have been living beyond their means on foreign credit.

Hungary had to intervene yesterday to prop up its markets following a run on country’s biggest lender OTP. The Budapest bourse fell 13pc. The treasury had to scrap a bond auction.

The most new mortgages in Hungary are in Swiss francs, leaving the homeowners facing a vicious squeeze as the forint plunges against the franc.

In Pakistan, the rupee has fallen to an all-time low. Standard & Poor’s downgraded the country’s sovereign debt to near write-off levels of CCC-plus. The central bank’s foreign reserves have fallen to $4.7bn (£2.73billion).
“The danger of default is hovering,” said Professor Kaisar Bengali from Karachi University.
“Pakistan may not be able to re-pay its debt or import anything,” he said, adding that the country cannot assume that it will be bailed out for strategic reasons.

Default risk on Kazakhstan’s top banks has risen to 70pc as property bubble bursts in the former Soviet republic and reliance in foreign credit comes back to haunt.

The country has mortgaged its future to oil prices, which crashed below $80 a barrel yesterday as the whole nexus of commodities (except gold) buckled in a wave of forced selling.

Analysts warn that it is leading indicator for what could happen if Russia if crude falls much further.

Re: The run on the banks menatlity on these forums - Economic Crisis

Pakistan faces default or "bankruptcy" not because of its own banking system collapsing.

Re: The run on the banks menatlity on these forums - Economic Crisis

The rise of oil price was a total hoax...mostly imagined by the oil sepeculators...now they will have to pay back too...

The real price of oil per barrel is $70-80