Muraad: among others the philosophies about tolerance, humbleness, and of course the Oneness of Allah
MiniMe: >>>I think that the premise of you post is to ridicule Islam as a religion and Muslims as followers, but still I would like you to answer how did you drive to these remarkable presumptions?<<<
For the umpteenth time in this forum, I’m pointing out the difference between ridiculing Islam and ridiculing the ‘followers’. I would never ridicule Islam as I’ve often stated, and as far as I know I never have, and never has it been my intention. However, I verily at various moment have been very critical of the muslim countries and the people in them. But one cannot simply state that ridiculing them is the same as ridiculing the concept of Islam, which I have tried never to do.
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Firstly, you presume that whatever the Muslims had achieved in Science and philosophy is solely based on Quran? Care to explain how you came to this conclusion?
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Where did I say the progress was solely based on qur’an? But if I wasn’t clear, let me rephrase: How come that despite having such a great book amidst them, Muslims in recent years have failed to contribute substantially in these fields?
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And then you go ahead a step to presume that after 200 hundred years Muslims didn’t had “substantial progress”, and you fail to mention what was the criteria of measuring this substantial progress, and to compare the progress you jump ahead 1200 years and compare the current situations of Muslims with the current world progress?
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Partly this answers pakistaniabroad’s question: You can look at every-day (technical) things we use, like television, radio, computers. You can also go and have a look in the medical field. The Arabs have contributed quite a lot in early years, but I can’t think of any good medical research coming from the Muslim countries (CT-scans, MRI, antibiotics, treatments etc). If we take automobiles, we will see all big companies are from the West or Japan. Why not a single good model from the Arab countries? (after all, it is their oil that is making these car run).
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Then again you compare even the slightest development (nuclear) as to be stolen, so can you enlighten us to what you consider as “genuine” progress?
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If the essential concept or other steps are genuinely coming from a single of few research groups. And in case something is originating from other people, it is not from someone who afterwards you consider as ‘alien’. Like DNA, Watson and Crick got some basic ideas from someone else (one of their colleagues), but they admitted it…and also paid credit to her.
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Again you round up 1.2 billion followers of a faith and ask them why there is no development in science and philosophy, as if the onus is all on them for not being the leaders in these fields.
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I’ve not said all of them shud be pioneers in those fields, but you can at least expect that from within these pool of ppl, there should be some good talents who didn’t need ‘exterior’ help from the West for their development, but could come up with good ideas from within themselves.
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And what’s the story with the Taliban, do you think that it was the apex of Muslim rule or science and philosophy?
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No, but I presume –perhaps erroneously- that there might be some ppl on this forum who do…….so actually if was more directed towards them……my apologies for not being clear on this.
Fraudz: I agree completely, but then I wonder how come these countries (also referring to Pakistan) are considered by many –especially on this board- as ‘best’ Muslim countries in the world, if they cannot even understand the basic concepts of how to lead a country on the right path. It reflects what bas state the rest of the countries is in. Surely, one cannot say that it is Islam that is wrong (and too am not saying it), because that is our basic dogma. So clearly something has gone wrong along the way….….I’m asking what is it, and HOW COME???????
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