The Rise of Taliban

If you look back at the history of Taliban, they seemed to be ‘good guys’ rather than villains now viewed by many here. It is very much astonishing to see that original Taliban were never involved in suicide bombings. This suicide bombing phenomenon started in Mush regime. Taliban were limited to Afghanistan. It is a mystery how they involved in Pakistan and created a sister organization like Pakistan Taliban. Again this happened in Mush regime. Why Mush had to resort to bulldoze Lal Mosque and killed many? Mullah involved in that disaster left Mosque wearing burqa just before bombardment. That Mullah is now free man. It means that what ever Mush did was slaughtering of people without justification.

Perhaps Taliban would have been very popular had they not started suicide bombing and killing innocent people. Or is it other retard jehadi organization which attacked Bombay killing tons of people? What is going on in Pakistan? The situation is quite confused.

Read following and see how Taliban came to power in Afghanistan during 1996-
2001.

Eric Margolis &#151 FOREIGN CORRESPONDENT

THREE BIG LIES ABOUT AFGHANISTAN
Copyright: Eric S. Margolis, 2006
April 3, 2006

The public is getting distorted news from Afghanistan because the North American media has substituted jingoism and flag-waving for reporting of hard news.

Afghanistan’s complexity and lethal tribal politics have been marketed to the public by government and media as a selfless crusade to defeat the terrorist’ Taliban, implant democracy, and liberate Afghan women. Afghanistan is part of the world-wide struggle against terrorism,’ we are told.

None of this is true. In 1989, at the end of the Soviet occupation, Afghanistan fell into anarchy and civil war. An epidemic of banditry and rape ensued.

****A village prayer leader, Mullah Omar, who lost an eye in the anti-Soviet jihad, armed a group of `talibs,’ (religious students) and set about defending women from rape. Aided by Pakistan, Taliban stopped the epidemic of rape and drug-dealing that had engulfed Afghanistan and imposed order based on harsh tribal and Sharia religious law. **

**Taliban was a religious, anti-communist movement that drew its power from Afghanistan’s Pushtun (or Pathan) ethnic majority, the world’s largest tribal group (Kurds are the second largest). ****

**Most of Taliban’s energies were spent battling the remaining Afghan communists, united with various Tajik groups under the banner of the Northern Alliance, whose leader, Ahmad Shah Massoud, was a long-time Soviet KGB collaborator, and its military chief, Gen. Fahim, the former director of the notorious Afghan secret police which executed and horribly tortured tens of thousands of victims. **

**Production of opium and heroin was stopped by Taliban, except in the North Alliance-controlled zones. **

**Taliban’s rule was extremely harsh; its leaders were backwards hillbillies. Because the communists had infiltrated the nation in the 1970’s through the education system – particularly female education – Taliban shut down many schools for girls, oppressed minority Hazaras, whom Taliban considered heretics, and, in an act of supreme idiocy, blew up Buddhist idols. **

**However, the US government viewed Taliban as a potential ally and gave it millions in aid until four months before 9/11. Washington was considering using Taliban and al-Qaida’s 300 members to stir trouble in China’s western Muslim regions, and in Russian-dominated Central Asia. But US aid was cut off after Taliban refused a contract from the US oil firm Unocal to build a strategic pipeline south from the Caspian Basin to Pakistan. **

**Taliban’s leaders knew nothing of the 9/11 plans to attack the US, which was mounted in Germany. When the US demanded Kabul hand over bin Laden, Taliban refused. Bin Laden was a guest and national hero wounded six times in the anti-Soviet struggle. Taliban leaders refused to violate their honor by failing to defend an honored guest. **

**Taliban promised to deliver him to an international tribunal once the US submitted evidence of his guilt. The US refused, and promptly invaded Afghanistan. **

**Unable to withstand US power, Mullah Omar ordered his fighters to blend back into the Pushtun population and wage guerilla war against the invaders. Taliban has been joined by the Hizbi-Islami movement of Gulbadin Hekmatyar and other tribal groups or individuals opposed to foreign occupation. **

**After Taliban’s overthrow, Afghanistan fell back into the hands of the old Communist Party and war criminals, now allied with Russia, Iran and India, and drug warlords who control much of the chaotic nation. The US-installed `democratic’ Karzai puppet regime in Kabul rules only the capital. **

**The Talibs represented the most backwards sector of Afghan society. But they brought law and order, ended drug dealing, and fought the communists who killed 1.5 million Afghans. **

**Today, women in post-Taliban Afghanistan are just as repressed as they were under Taliban, save for a few schools in Kabul. Women are equally repressed in Pakistan, India, and Saudi Arabia. Many Afghans share Taliban’s social views, if not politics. The Uzbeks in the north – now US and Canadian allies - are in even more vicious and brutal than Taliban, and up to their turbans in drug dealing. The US and NATO are running a nation that supplies 80-90% of the world’s heroin. **

**Most foreign journalists see none of this. They get the Cook’s tour, led around by their noses by government or military P.R. specialists, and fed handouts. Call this blinkered news. At least the old Soviet media did a better job, occasionally criticizing Moscow’s claims that it was implanting democracy, freedom and human rights in Afghanistan. The North American media has no such professional reservations. **

**Few reporters get away from the military and go see the reality beyond. Even fewer know about Afghanistan’s tortured history. That’s why we have been getting so much disinformation and so little honest reporting about Afghanistan. **

Taliban is neither a terrorist group, like al-Qaida, nor an enemy of the United States. Washington should be talking to its moderate elements as part of a strategy to stabilize that nation, foster a genuinely popular national government that excludes terrorist groups, and ends Afghanistan’s role as the world’s premier narco-state.

Re: The Rise of Taliban

A short history of Taliban… from Hillary Clinton…

Clinton admits US liable for Pak tensions - GEO.tv

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They look invincilble... started from a narrow tribal belt of south wazirstan..and now they practically control all NWFP. Their impact is felt by all provinces.

I don't agree with some of their ideals regarding women and education. Rest of ideals such as eliminating drugs, rape, stealing, etc are very much in need in Pakistan.

They are a cancer which needs to be destroyed

Just like the Nazis were once invicible but then world united and wiped them out

Inshallah that is the fate awaiting the Taliban Terrorists

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^ inshAllah we will be a** secular** democracy :rolleyes:

Bhai G the word Secular and Inshallah…in one sentence? thats an oxymoron…

Pakistan came into being in name of Islam and our ancestors called it :
" ISLAMIC DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC OF PAKISTAN"

90 percent want it that way…we cannot make it a secular democracy

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^ i happen to agree with you but tell that to M2k.

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ISLAM OUR RELIGION AND DEMOCRACY OUR SYSTEM OF GOVERNMENT AND NO RULES WILL BE MADE AGAINST ISLAMIC LAW.

This is what Quaid-e-Azam the founder of Pakistan said and then the Pakistani constitution of 1973 announces that Islam is Supreme Law of the country

Those who want Pakistan to become secular on gunpoint are infact anti Pakistan and Anti Quaid-e-Azam.

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^ Ghair Muslim Khan from Taliban could behead you for that statement - democracy as per his statement is kuffar.

"You may belong to any religion or caste or creed that has nothing to do with the business of the State." - Quaid-e-Azam , 1947

Yes you can follow what you want state cannot impose its religion on you. Thats totally Islamic . Your caste ,creed is your private business not state business. So what is your dilemma? Being an Islamic country doesnt mean that the state will confiscate your civil rights

Taliban interpretation does exactly that - they punish you for not praying, for not having a beard, for not wearing burqa if you're female, for not having the correct shalwar length etc.

In one incident in I think Bannu, a madrassa teacher, a former Afghan-Soviet war muhajideen was killed by a talib for not having a correct length of shalwar.

WOW you tell all this as if they were read to your as bed time stories. Which newspaper do you read? "I hope its no THE TALIBAN DAILY?

You always come up with news like

" Taliban killed one man for Drinking Coffee"

Taliban killed one Man for wearing Pink Underwear

A Madrass teacher beat a student for poking finger in his nose

Bhai G get out of this TalibanPhobia and do something constructive for Pakistan

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I am being constructive for pointing out the talib threat. All of this has been reported hundreds of times in numerous newspapers. You just have to learn to read them without a closed mind.

How about you be constructive and research on talib activities? You can start with talib statements themselves.

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Here's a head start for you:

Taliban militants killed a Pakistani teacher in the Swat valley during a row about having his trousers above his ankles while offering prayers.

Amjad Islam, a former mujahideen, who fought against the Soviet occupation forces in Afghanistan, and was working as a teacher in a private school in the Swat valley, was gunned down on Thursday.

The militants then went to Islam's house and gunned down his father, Ghani Akbar, a lawyer by profession, the Times of India reported Friday.

The militants later hung Islam's body from a pole in the College Square in the town of Matta and warned the locals not to touch it till Friday. But the local jirga intervened and the body was taken down and moved to Islam's house.

Local witnesses said that when the militants asked Islam to hitch his trousers above his ankles, he heeded their orders while telling them he was a former mujahideen and knew about Islam. He also said nobody could be forced to pull up his trousers above the ankles, the report said.

His arguments angered the militants and led to a scuffle, the locals said.

The teacher, who had a pistol, fired at the militants and killed a Taliban fighter and wounded two others. He then tried to flee but the militants shot and stabbed him, killing him instantly.

FTP/HAR

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Pakistan's constitution guarantees that no law will be repugnant to Quran and Sunnah and that Sovereignty belongs to Allah (Objective Resolution).

The very word Secularism should be declared equal to treason as it goes against the Constitution of Pakistan too!

Secularism = Treason!

Go talk about Islam as the way of life in Turkey and see the reaction... Its a shame that first we do not have a sizable literate class that upholds the ideals of Islam. Turks are so passionate about their secularism... we are hardly passionate about anything.

2- The waderas and jageerdars have acted as a cancer and shaken the foundations of Pakistan by making the system Pakistan should follow as debatable.

There is no place for debate about the system being Shariah or secular.

Its already decided.

Plus I do not see anything said by Quaid that implies that he did not want shariah. Even in an Islamic state citizens - Muslims and non-Muslims have rights.

If Quaid wanted secualrism he would have stopped people right away who were shouting - Pakistan ka matlab kia - La ilaha illa Allah.!

He also went to the State Bank in Karachi and talked about Islamic banking system.

If people are so fond of secularism, i think India - world's largest secular democracy would not mind having you.

Lastly there is no need to mix Taliban and Shariah.

pakistan was not founded as an islamic state

its constitution did not came from sharia

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^^ Any source to back you claim or it came from the mind of ur tube friends... anyway, you are not a Pakistani nor you carry the Passport of this country neither you live here, so you need not to worry about the Sharia being implemented in Pakistan or not... you live in Secular country.. and enjoy ur life their.. We the Pakistanies are in mess and with the Help of Allah, will overcome the problem created by the enemies of the Pakistan..

Read any history book on the creation of Pakistan and the Muslim Leage and its founders and you shall have your answer

don't rely on the bull**** crap they teach you in pakistani schools on pakistan

As for Pakistan's Enemies.

The only enemies of Pakistan are Pakistanis themselves.

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Does the Document Qardad-e-Maqsid rings any bell???

or the Constitution of 1956 is any kind of valid document to you???

please mention those books as i am sure you are reading them now and as far as i have seen you ( through ur posts) anything against your understanding is crap... so can you tell me how you differ from taliban???