The Rights

Alright… the rights of women as wives

for once can we discuss the rights of husbands? they do have rights don’t they? or are they supposed to be crushed between a rock and a hard place?

we all talk about how a guy should maintain a balance between his wife and his family…but we never talk about how?

I’m a girl myself and I wish sometimes guys knew how to maintain that balance…but the fact is that none of us ever really taught how…neither girls nor guys…it’s easy to tell someone to do it but then their question might be “fine im willing to that…mind telling me how? cuz i honestly dont know…”

so what are the rights of a husband?

how is he supposed to maintain balance when he’s being pulled in all different directions?

and what is the role of women to support their husband in the process? and to maintain a balance themselves just as they expect their husbands to do so

i’m not trying to instigate anything…I’m honestly trying to get us all to think…and achieve a more balanced viewpoint, which might sometimes get lost in trying to help other people solve their problems when we’re mainly solving problems faced by females…I just feel like we hardly ever talk about guys and how difficult it might be for them…

we women can come vent on internet forums … but what about guys? just because they dont vent does that mean everything is easy for them?

i;m getting soooo serious :hinna:… i quit :smiley:

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:omg: …so naive…

:khumar:

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Yeh lo thanda Pani piyo.

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Peace llxxll

I appreciate the topic you have raised ... it is an important one. In the hope to balance the scales in favour of women we might end up tipping it too far so it starts to compromise the rights of men.

Or for that matter wife vs mother ...

We should understand the necessary balance - wives want to be cared for - mothers want their sons to be cared for.

No doubt the person who a man is in greatest debt to is his mother, yet the person who is his dependent is his wife. In a business it is good practice to pay off debts quickly and then to concentrate on growth and profits. So accordingly in early marriage it is advisable to allow the mother retain her hold over the husband and try not to snatch him too fast from her.

Slowly if wife helps him make his mother happy that will result in her happiness. If his mother annoys his wife then the man should listen to his wife and comfort her. But never speak out of turn in front of his own mother and he should not be expected to by the wife.

Either old age sets in and the mother no longer treats the wife in a bad way because she has earned her trust ... or the elders live no longer ... in the normal case other things obviously could happen.

Just like in a good business when the debts get less then the ease to grow becomes easier ... growth is the metaphor for favouring the wife ... and settling the debts is the metaphor for favouring the mother. At any one point in time there is a balance between growth and debt settlement - no business gives 100% of earned income to debt settlement (or the wife would leave - no business growth) and no good company gives all to growth and leaves debtors (or mother would cause problems and families could be divided - law suits from debtors) ...

It makes Islamic sense to settle debts before doing luxury, going on Hajj, etc ... Therefore there is a clear priority given to those who are owed money over development. Wives should understand that in order to prevent fitnah of MILs then on earned income allow husband to give to parents. Up until the parents are still firm and in good health allow the man the lift them up above himself ... never let him compete or wives should not compete with his parents for grandeur and respect. As their lives last they are to be treated like royalty as with any elderly couple and similar respect should be given to the parents of the wife too.

The moment a son and his wife compete for greater honour than his parents this will cause more problems ... It should be understood that there is no greater honour for a man than to raise his parents on a pedestal ... they are his support and strength and by cutting them off ... it is like a plant having it roots cut off or by making him leave them for them it is like having the buds pruned away before they come to blossom.

The role of the wife is critical as she has greater vision to these things and men cannot see some things happening. The philosophy of a good wife is not "Oppress or be oppressed" this is a flawed mindset, because it ignores the other possibility the mindset should be "Be diplomatic and sacrificing" and thus you attain balance.

InshaAllah!

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m so not naive :naraz: I know stuff :snooty:

i wish i could beat u with a stick :asa:

:stuck_out_tongue:

main pii leti thanda paani agar kisi baat ka gussa hota :smiley:

on second thot i do need it…cuz nomi is mean :bummer:

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Thanks psyah ji … I appreciate the time and effort you put into your reply

unlike some ppl :snooty: (glares at nomi)

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Peace llxxll

It thought it was NomiCA who was being naive … not you … if all women thought about their responsibility as well ask for their rights then we would not have the need for Indian dramas.

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i am waiting to see how this thread turns out........compared to the threads about women's rights............

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well apart from psyah ji no one is even bothering to post a serious reply :bummer:

/hides under bed and starts crying

:stuck_out_tongue:

maybe someone can post what the qur’an and ahadith say about a guys rights and what rights his family have over him versus what rights his wife has over him and what he has the right to expect from both

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I truly appreciate the serious reply though ... i truly think that if its difficult for the girl its not a cakewalk for a guy either ....

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but then you will have people coming up with alternate interpretations to those ayatas and hadith....

i remember lots of people saying here....."women have way more rights than men"........... what do u expect here :D

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i expect a balance… is that too much to ask? :bummer:

everyone is equal in the eyes of Allah …i dont believe either has more rights than the other

geez louise whats so difficult to understand…seriously :smiley:

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waitin …:khumar:

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u and me both

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For a complete Islamic perspective visit:

Here is what this article says.

1.The obligation of obedience
2. Making herself available to her husband
3,Not admitting anyone to home whom the husband dislikes.
4.Not going out of the house except with the husband’s permission.
5.Discipline. The husband has the right to discipline his wife if she disobeys him in something good, not if she disobeys him in something sinful,
6.The wife serving her husband.
7. Submitting herself to him.
The wife should treat her husband in a good manner.

P.S: I never thought in the terms of rights , obligations , duties and consequences of not fulfilling these rights etc.
It is your thread which made me look for them.
I live a simple life where I and my wife help each other out in running our household and take care of the family and each others needs and wants. Our love and affection for each other is unconditional and that is the way it should be. If you become calculative that is when the problem starts.

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Since you asked for it here is what Quran and sunnah says:

The husband’s rights over his wife.
The rights of the husband over his wife are among the greatest rights; indeed his rights over her are greater than her rights over him, because Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):
“And they (women) have rights (over their husbands as regards living expenses) similar (to those of their husbands) over them (as regards obedience and respect) to what is reasonable, but men have a degree (of responsibility) over them [al-Baqarah 2:228]
al-Jassaas said: Allaah tells us in this aayah that each of the spouses has rights over the other, and that the husband has one particular right over his wife which she does not have over him.
Ibn al-‘Arabi said: this text states that he has some preference over her with regard to rights and duties of marriage.
These rights include:
(a) The obligation of obedience. Allaah has made the man a qawwaam (protector and maintainer) of the woman by commanding, directing and taking care of her, just as guardians take care of their charges, by virtue of the physical and mental faculties that Allaah has given only to men and the financial obligations that He has enjoined upon them. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):
“Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allaah has made one of them to excel the other, and because they spend (to support them) from their means” [al-Nisaa’ 4:34]
‘Ali ibn Abi Talhah said, narrating from Ibn ‘Abbaas: “Men are the protectors and maintainers of women” means, they are in charge of them, i.e., she should obey him in matters of obedience that Allaah has enjoined upon her, and obey him by treating his family well and taking care of his wealth. This was the view of Muqaatil, al-Saddi and al-Dahhaak.(Tafseer Ibn Katheer, 1/492)
(b) Making herself available to her husband. One of the rights that the husband has over his wife is that he should be able to enjoy her (physically). If he marries a woman and she is able to have intercourse, she is obliged to submit herself to him according to the contract, if he asks her. That is after he gives her the immediate mahr, and gives her some time – two or three days, if she asks for that – to sort herself out, because that is something that she needs, and because that is not too long and is customary.
If a wife refuses to respond to her husband’s request for intercourse, she has done something haraam and has committed a major sin, unless she has a valid shar’i excuse such as menses, obligatory fasting, sickness, etc.
It was narrated that Abu Hurayrah (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: “The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: ‘When a man calls his wife to his bed and she refuses, and he went to sleep angry with her, the angels will curse her until morning.’” (Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 3065; Muslim, 1436)
(c) Not admitting anyone whom the husband dislikes. One of the rights that the husband has over his wife is that she should not permit anyone whom he dislikes to enter his house.
It was narrated from Abu Hurayrah (may Allaah be pleased with him) that the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “It is not permitted for a woman to fast when her husband is present without his permission, or to admit anyone into his house without his permission. And whatever she spends (in charity) of his wealth without his consent, ….” (Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 4899; Muslim, 1026)
It was narrated from Sulaymaan ibn ‘Amr ibn al-Ahwas: my father told me that he was present at the Farewell Pilgrimage (Hujjat al-Wadaa’) with the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). He [the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him)] praised and glorified Allaah, then he preached a sermon and said: “Treat women kindly, for they are prisoners and you have no other power over them than that, if they are guilty of open lewdness, then refuse to share their beds, and hit them, but not severely. But if they return to obedience, (then) do not seek means (of annoyance) against them. You have rights over your women and your women have rights over you. Your rights over your women are that they should not let anyone whom you dislike sit on your bed and they should not let anyone whom you dislike enter your house. Their rights over you are that you should feed and clothe them well.”
(Narrated by al-Tirmidhi, 1163 – he said this is a saheeh hasan hadeeth. Also narrated by Ibn Maajah, 1851)
It was narrated that Jaabir said: [the Prophet] (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said:
“Fear Allah concerning women! Verily you have taken them on the security of Allah, and intercourse with them has been made lawful unto you by words of Allah. You too have rights over them, and that they should not allow anyone to sit on your bed * whom you do not like. But if they do that, you can chastise them but not severely. Their rights upon you are that you should provide them with food and clothing in a fitting manner” (Narrated by Muslim, 1218)
(d) Not going out of the house except with the husband’s permission. One of the rights of the husband over his wife is that she should not go out of the house except with his permission.
The Shaafa’is and Hanbalis said: she does not have the right to visit (even) her sick father except with the permission of her husband, and he has the right to prevent her from doing that… because obedience to the husband is obligatory, and it is not permitted to neglect an obligatory action for something that is not obligatory.
(e) Discipline. The husband has the right to discipline his wife if she disobeys him in something good, not if she disobeys him in something sinful, because Allaah has enjoined disciplining women by forsaking them in bed and by hitting them, when they do not obey.
The Hanafis mentioned four situations in which a husband is permitted to discipline his wife by hitting her. These are: not adorning herself when he wants her to; not responding when he calls her to bed and she is taahirah (pure, i.e., not menstruating); not praying; and going out of the house without his permission.
The evidence that it is permissible to discipline one’s wife includes the aayahs (interpretation of the meaning):
“As to those women on whose part you see ill‑conduct, admonish them (first), (next) refuse to share their beds, (and last) beat them (lightly, if it is useful)” [al-Nisaa’ 4:34]
“O you who believe! Ward off yourselves and your families against a Fire (Hell) whose fuel is men and stones” [al-Tahreem 66:6]
Ibn Katheer said:
Qutaadah said: you should command them to obey Allaah, and forbid them to disobey Allaah; you should be in charge of them in accordance with the command of Allaah, and instruct them to follow the commands of Allaah, and help them to do so. If you see any act of disobedience towards Allaah, then stop them from doing it and rebuke them for that.
This was also the view of al-Dahhaak and Muqaatil: that the duty of the Muslim is to teach his family, including his relatives and his slaves, that which Allaah has enjoined upon them and that which He has forbidden them. (Tafseer Ibn Katheer, 4/392)
(f) The wife serving her husband. There is a great deal of evidence (daleel) for this, some of which has been mentioned above.
Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah said:
She is obliged to serve her husband according to what is reasonable among people of similar standing. That varies according to circumstances: the way in which a Bedouin woman serves (her husband) will not be like the way of a town-dweller, and the way of a strong woman will not be like the way of a weak woman. (al-Fataawa al-Kubraa, 4/561)
(g) Submitting herself to him. Once the conditions of the marriage-contract have been fulfilled and it is valid, then the woman is obliged to submit herself to her husband and allow him to enjoy her (physically), because once the contract is completed, he is allowed in return to enjoy her, and the wife is entitled to the compensation which is the mahr.
(h) The wife should treat her husband in a good manner, because Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):
“And they (women) have rights (over their husbands as regards living expenses) similar (to those of their husbands) over them (as regards obedience and respect) to what is reasonable” [al-Baqarah 2:228]
Al-Qurtubi said:
It was also narrated from him – i.e., Ibn ‘Abbaas – that this means: they have the right to good companionship and kind and reasonable treatment from their husbands just as they are obliged to obey the commands of their husbands.
And it was said that they have the right that their husbands should not harm them, and their husbands have a similar right over them. This was the view of al-Tabari.
Ibn Zayd said: You should fear Allaah concerning them just as they should fear Allaah concerning you.
The meanings are similar, and the aayah includes all of that in the rights and duties of marriage.(Tafseer al-Qurtubi, 3/123-124)
And Allaah knows best.

  	Sheikh Muhammed Salih Al-Munajjid*

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thanks for the post... I dont deny that... it would be great if a couple lived their life with mutual love, respect, and understanding...

but i feel like some ppl (not all) are becoming increasingly hostile with respect to marriage... it would seem like they're going on the border to fight the enemy not to create a beautiful bond of love and respect.

if both husband and wife only concentrated on building a strong, loving bond, based on mutual understanding and love ..majority of the problems they face would be solved...you wouldnt be on ur toes every second of every day thinking is he/she violating my rights? u would instead be thinking what he/she needs from me and u wud want to do it irrespective of anything because ur getting the love and respect...

i just wanted to get a balanced view cuz ive been hearing about womens rights and i wanted to know what men's rights were...just for my information

it wud be truly be wonderful if the institution of marriage wasnt marred by a "me vs him/them", but rather an "us" attitude...but unfortunately thats not always the case and i just wanted for ppl to consider his rights too if they're considering her rights

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I see the words ‘obedience’ and ‘submission’ in above text…now write those words in any other thread…and you shall see the response :rolleyes:

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Really like these two points psyah!. As men, it gets over-whelming to try balancing a wife with rights of our mothers. But i do understand that, sometimes
a wife needs to be much more patience and understanding given that wife's rights are not abused. More like a very good balance you described here psyah!!

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i have no idea what ur talking about :smiley: