The Reality In Gujrat - Final Solution

[ssingh]

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Besides let me tell one more thing....i want india to be a tolerant country with full religious freedom where every religion is respected. I dont want india to be the way gujrat has become. If it has...then i want it to be reversed. I hope it will be successful.

[anjjan]

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@sTaLkEr

Forget rumors, we all know that Muslims in India are taunted as “Pakistanis” there loyalty is always under scrutiny. After talking to some good Indo Muslims, I’ve found that they’re just living there coz they don’t have another choice, they have their roots there and that things werent so bad some decades ago, recently they’ve become awful and the Gujrat killings just dont die down, just look whats been goin on in the last month or so with the killings of protestors, demolishment of scared Islamic sites etc. Doesn’t sound like home for any sane person.

Dear sTaLkEr, please reveal us the secrete how Islamic states have so successfully and systematically minimised the minorities, or these minorities had their roots somewhere else???

Thanks in advance!

[anjjan]

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@mercenary2k

they were orchastrated by the Hindu Nazi called Modi.

It was an accicdental cooking fire which sparked the riots and lead to the deaths of so many innocent muslims.

There is no such instance of cooking fire in entire history that could bring a train bogy to ashes in 5 to 6 minutes.

Next time, be kind to tell me what kind of inflammable agent was used to burn the innocents alive!

@Rahul67

See guys, no point you keep putting your point of view and we putting our point of view for years… Isn’t that happening for years… …

Rahul….can you convince a Muslim?
Can you tell me why news papers in any secular state are afraid of raising fingers at Muslims?

At the same time in any soft democracy the news papers, media, so-called intellectual film makers take it for granted that by accusing the majority community they can show how progressive they are.
In other words, ‘accusing the majority community becomes a symbol of progressivism’ for them. Why?

[sTaLkEr]

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^^ I never said that Islamic countries have a spotless record regarding minorities or they have free press or whatever. I CAN quote MANY of posts by you or your Hindustani peers, that proclaim that Hindustan is heaven on earth for all minorities. Tsk, tsk, truth is just too bitter for some to swallow that they resort to muckracking!

[mercenary2k]

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@anjjan

There is no such instance of cooking fire in entire history that could bring a train bogy to ashes in 5 to 6 minutes.

Next time, be kind to tell me what kind of inflammable agent was used to burn the innocents alive!

Well since the Gujrat inquiry said it that the fire was accicdental and was caused by cooking oil.

And how do you know that the fire was so intense that it took 5 to 6 minutes to burn the bodies into ashes?

Those eye witness accounts are fraudalent accounts just demonize the muslims.

The fire was caused by cooking oil and everyone knows that.

[Rahul67]

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@anjjan

Rahul….can you convince a Muslim? Can you tell me why news papers in any secular state are afraid of raising fingers at Muslims?

At the same time in any soft democracy the news papers, media, so-called intellectual film makers take it for granted that by accusing the majority community they can show how progressive they are. In other words, ‘accusing the majority community becomes a symbol of progressivism’ for them. Why?

I think we have been able lots of Indian Muslims to see the picture, hence they contribute and plan future in India. Its the Muslims in rest of the world, since they don't see the full picture they have challenge...
You are absolutely right that soft democracy and vote politics makes it even difficult for them to understand India and its complexities.........

[anjjan]

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@sTaLkEr

^^ I CAN quote MANY of posts by you or your Hindustani peers, that proclaim that Hindustan is heaven on earth for all minorities. !

Give some proofs/ posts! I am waiting.

And yes, I can boast of Indian Muslims. None of them joined the Al-Quaeda force of Bin Laden. It is a victory of our secular setup.

@sTaLkEr

^^ I never said that Islamic countries have a spotless record regarding minorities or they have free press or whatever.!

So friend, first you improve your own records before raising fingres at others.

@mercenary2k

Well since the Gujrat inquiry said it that the fire was accicdental and was caused by cooking oil.
And how do you know that the fire was so intense that it took 5 to 6 minutes to burn the bodies into ashes?
Those eye witness accounts are fraudalent accounts just demonize the muslims.
The fire was caused by cooking oil and everyone knows that.

As logic fails they start their propaganda.

[mercenary2k]

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@anjjan

Give some proofs/ posts! I am waiting.

And yes, I can boast of Indian Muslims. None of them joined the Al-Quaeda force of Bin Laden. It is a victory of our secular setup.

None of them joined bin laden because they are busy fighting your indian army in kashmir.

[vineshvk]

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So only Kashmir has all the muslims in India. Besides Kashmiris are fighting against Kashmiris mostly.

[vineshvk]

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@mercenary2k

Well since the Gujrat inquiry said it that the fire was accicdental and was caused by cooking oil.

And how do you know that the fire was so intense that it took 5 to 6 minutes to burn the bodies into ashes?

Those eye witness accounts are fraudalent accounts just demonize the muslims.

The fire was caused by cooking oil and everyone knows that.

This enquiry was instigated by our beloved Lalloo. No press in India (actually these are the same press which are in the fore front in trying to remove Modi) believes that its true. and hardly any people believes the finding of that enquiry which is farce and fabricated.

[Reza_Pahlavi]

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Was Laloo Yadav Prasad behind this similar report in July 2002?

Godhra bogie was burnt from inside: Report

TIMES NEWS NETWORK WEDNESDAY, JULY 03, 2002 12:05:57 AM ]

AHMEDABAD: The mystery over the burning of the S-6 compartment of Sabarmati Express at Godhra on February 27, which killed 59 passengers and set off an unprecedented spate of communal frenzy all over Gujarat, has turned deeper with the forensic report on the incident discounting the possibility of the mob throwing inflammable liquid from outside and then setting the bogie on fire. Investigations made by the Ahmedabad-based Forensic Science Laboratory (FSL) have now shown that almost 60 litres of inflammable material was poured from inside the compartment before it was set on fire.

A report by the FSL’s Assistant Director Dr M S Dahiya, which is part of the charge-sheet filed in the Godhra case about a month back, is based on a study of the pattern of the burns in the compartment and a simulated exercise conducted on May 3 to recreate the incident. The report contradicts the view held so far that the mob which attacked the train threw inflammable liquid at the train using buckets and cans from a distance, even while the passengers had shut all the windows and doors of the compartment. To recreate how the crime must have been committed, a train bogie was placed at the same spot. Using a variety of different containers, it was doused with liquid for experimental observation. The report said the height of the window of the bogie was found to be seven feet. In these circumstances, it was not possible to throw inflammable liquids into the bogie from the outside with the help of a bucket or a jerry-can because by this method most of the liquid fell outside the bogie. At the spot of the incident, at about a distance of 14 feet, there was a mound of gravel-stones about 3 feet high. It was spread parallel to the bogie for a long distance. The FSL officials, standing on the mound, threw water on the windows of the bogie, of which only about 10 to 15 per cent entered the bogie. The rest fell on the outside. Since, a major portion of the inflammable liquid fell on the tracks and around it, it would have caused damage on the outside of the bogie and under it.

The report says, “after inspecting the bogie and the tracks, it was found that there is no effect of fire below the windows. Taking this fact into account and the burning pattern on the outside of the bogie, the conclusion is that no inflammable liquid was thrown into the bogie from the outside”. It further says, “it also does not look possible that inflammable liquid was thrown in from the doors of the bogie”. As a next step, using a bucket, about 60 litres of water was thrown into the passage of the compartment from one side and then a large part of the bogie was covered. Water thrown like this went only in one direction, no part of it flowed outside from the open doors or in the direction of the latrine. “On the basis of this experimental observation, the conclusion is that standing in the passage of the compartment near seat number 72, using a container with a wide opening, about 60 litres of inflammable liquid has been poured and then immediately a fire has been started in the bogie,” the report says. The FSL report further says that “it appears that three of the four doors of the compartment were open when it was burning while all the windows were shut. The pattern of burning (allegatoring pattern) shows that the intensity of the heat was four times more towards the eastern side (towards seat no. 72 of the bogies”.

[ssingh]

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^ there will be equal or more number of publications which will counter the above publication. Some of them even claim eye witness accounts.

[Iconoclast]

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eye witness accounts
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Of BJP people.

[ssingh]

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@Iconoclast

Of BJP people.

could be.

[sTaLkEr]

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@vineshvk

So only Kashmir has all the muslims in India. Besides Kashmiris are fighting against Kashmiris mostly.

The kind of BS we get to hear on these forums. My friend, Kashmir is not Gujrat where the Hindu Gujratees are fighting the Muslim Gujjratees. If they have geniuses like you or your Hindustani peers in RAW, its track record is truly justified

Btw, this documentary is really, really scary and an eye opener indeed.

[Silly_Billy]

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The excuses or justifications Hindu's make for the murder of Muslims, is akin to the arguments the Nazi's used to use in regards to their treatment of the Jews and other minorities.

[infiniti]

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@Rahul67

You may put a smile on a post as sad as this vedio sorry I can't....... there is saying that once other person starts abusing...... you know he doesn't have arguments left and he accepts that....... So thanks for using abusive langauge, I rest my case.... have a nice day........ and keep posting................

And that is true of so many pakis here.

[infiniti]

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@Silly Billy

The excuses or justifications Hindu's make for the murder of Muslims, is akin to the arguments the Nazi's used to use in regards to their treatment of the Jews and other minorities.

Bravo!! First time I am seeing you come up with an intelligent argument or analogy but alas it's factually wrong this time as well.

[infiniti]

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@sTaLkEr

^^ I never said that Islamic countries have a spotless record regarding minorities or they have free press or whatever. I CAN quote MANY of posts by you or your Hindustani peers, that proclaim that Hindustan is heaven on earth for all minorities. Tsk, tsk, truth is just too bitter for some to swallow that they resort to muckracking!

Who did the dussahas of saying that. The last time I checked it was Pakistan which was the heaven for minorities, right????

[infiniti]

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@mercenary2k

None of them joined bin laden because they are busy fighting your indian army in kashmir.

Lol, full points to you buddy for finding out the right reason. Heck, this ISI knows everything :D.