The Quran flap at UNC

I know that we were discussing this in WA but I think it is relevant in religion as well.

Thomas Friedman wrote a great piece in today’s times about this issue. THe issue is sheer lunacy. What would be interesting is that if in places like Saudi, Iran and other islamic nations if the incoming freshmen were to be mandated to read the New testament, maybe the understanding between the cultures would increase.

Cuckoo in Carolina
By THOMAS L. FRIEDMAN

he ruckus being raised by conservative Christians over the University of North Carolina’s decision to ask incoming students to read a book about the Koran — to stimulate a campus debate — surely has to be one of the most embarrassing moments for America since Sept. 11.

Why? Because it exhibits such profound lack of understanding of what America is about, and it exhibits such a chilling mimicry of what the most repressive Arab Muslim states are about. Ask yourself this question: What would Osama bin Laden do if he found out that the University of Riyadh had asked incoming freshmen to read the New and Old Testaments?

He would do exactly what the book-burning opponents of this U.N.C. directive are doing right now — try to shut it down, only bin Laden wouldn’t bother with the courts. It’s against the law to build a church or synagogue or Buddhist temple or Hindu shrine in public in Saudi Arabia. Is that what we’re trying to mimic?

As a recent letter to The Times observed, the problem with the world today is not that American students are being asked to read the Koran, it is that students in Saudi Arabia and many other Muslim lands are still not being asked to read the sacred texts of other civilizations — let alone the foundational texts of American democracy, like the Bill of Rights, the Constitution or the Federalist Papers.

The fact that they ignore such diverse texts is the source of their weakness, and the fact that we embrace them is the source of our strength. What we should be doing is driving that point home, not copying their obscurantism.

The notion that U.N.C. violated constitutional prohibitions against state-sponsored religion — by asking freshmen to simply read a book, “Approaching the Qur’an: The Early Revelations” — has been rightly dismissed by the courts as nonsense.

I discovered the other day that my 17-year-old daughter, who is a 12th grader at a Washington-area public high school, was reading Genesis, Luke, Psalms and Job as part of a summer assignment for her A.P. English class. I’m glad. I wish she had also been assigned the Koran.

I understand that some people feel it’s not right that terrorists kill 3,000 Americans — in the name of Islam — and then we go out and make the Koran a best seller to try to figure out who they are. But that doesn’t bother me as an American. It would bother me, though, if I were Muslim. It would bother me that people have been awakened to my faith by an outrageously destructive act perpetrated in its name — rather than by some compelling attractiveness of countries that claim to reflect Islam’s vision of a just society.

The freedom of thought and the multiple cultural and political perspectives we offer in our public schools are what nurture a critical mind. And it is a critical mind that is the root of innovation, scientific inquiry and entrepreneurship.

Right after 9/11, the majority of books on Amazon.com’s top 100 best-seller list were about the Middle East and Islam. But there has been no parallel upsurge in interest in American studies, no new intellectual ferment in the blinkered, monochromatic universities and madrasas of the Arab and Muslim worlds since 9/11. One is reminded of Harry Lime’s famous quip in the movie “The Third Man” — that 30 years of noisy, violent churning under the Borgias in Italy produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci and the Renaissance, while 500 years of peace, quiet and harmony in Switzerland produced the cuckoo clock.

“A monolithic framework does not create a critical mind,” remarked the religious philosopher David Hartman. “Where there is only one self-evident truth, nothing ever gets challenged and no sparks of creativity ever get generated. The strength of America has always been its ability to challenge its own truths by presenting alternative possibilities. That forces you to justify your own ideas, and that competition of ideas is what creates excellence.”

I would bet that Islam is taught in virtually every state university in America — and was before 9/11. I first studied Islam and Arabic at the University of Minnesota in 1971.

America will always be a strong model for how a nation thrives in the modern age, as long as our culture of curiosity, free inquiry and openness endures. And the Arab Muslim world will continue to struggle with modernity as long as 12th graders in public schools there are never challenged to read Genesis, Luke, Job and Psalms over their summer vacations.

http://www.nytimes.com/2002/08/28/opinion/28FRIE.html

I totally agree with the author & share his concerns! :k: to that!

Recently at a get together at my house people were talking about how its so ignorant to stop Islamic studies @ UNC. And I asked them the same question, would you be willing to start a Christian Theology class in Quaid-e-Azam University or say Punjab University. Most of them were taken aback by the question … and then found excuses like there aren’t any Christians in Pakistan and especially in higher studies etc.

I would say to better understand the neighbor, with whom we have fought for so long, start teaching Vedic studies or history of India since 1947 in high schools of Pakistan.

Though there is the other side to the story … through the internet & Hollywood, which is considered the West, a lot of cultural influence is already present in countries of the east. The question is, does Hollywood gives a very good/educational picture of the West or not.

holding up a shield for ganday tamatar & unday

That's an interesting point about teaching Indian history. As I understand it, it is also the history of Pakistanis. So much to share...still so many grievances

knowledge is knowledge..why not offer it to people. if that means people should learn abotu ancient indus civilization, why not, I mean we study the greek, roman and egyptian cvilizations..

This friend of mine came from rajhstan to University of Pennsylvania for his PhD in south asian studies with a concentration in urdu literature and poetry. This is an example..we should offer contemporary courses and a window to other civilizations, living or dead.

Comparison to KSA is a bit strabge though because we know what it is like an average reader will nt be able to grasp that in KSA not only other official centers of worhsip are not allowed for other religions but also for other sects. Other muslim majority countries are not the same.

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Comparison to KSA is a bit strabge though because we know what it is like an average reader will nt be able to grasp that in KSA not only other official centers of worhsip are not allowed for other religions but also for other sects. Other muslim majority countries are not the same.
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That's what the article is for. To let the average reader know. And mentioning of KSA is important for two reasons. In the muslim world KSA has a exalted reputation as the thekedar of the holy sites and secondly 15 of the 19 hijackers were Saudi.

Freidman has presented some truthful insights in his article. The cloistered culture of some Muslim countries has blunted the feelings of older generations and is now hellbent on suffocating the new generation, that is not only looking for but deserves to have answers as to who and what they are. But cutting kids off from knowledge that is really their birthright, we are breeding machines, not rational human beings who can appreciate the diversity of cultures and other belief systems.

forget the history …u started this thread by religion…PLease dont try to get hinduism in comparision with islam …ur ram said that sita had commited adultry and had to step into the fire to prove her innocence …what sort of a religion is that ???.. I still agree that all muslim countrys should give special lessons specciffically in Judisim or christianity … hinduism HA what a joke … not a religion.

dont mind it if it hurt too bad :hehe:

*Right after 9/11, the majority of books on Amazon.com's top 100 best-seller list were about the Middle East and Islam. But there has been no parallel upsurge in interest in American studies, no new intellectual ferment in the blinkered, monochromatic universities and madrasas of the Arab and Muslim worlds since 9/11. *

This also says something about modern mindset today. An act of extreme violence saw an upsurge of interest in a religion directly because of that factor.

the second part of this statement is also worth looking at:

But there has been no parallel upsurge in interest in American studies

Walk in any street in muslim countries and you will see America not only being studied but being emulated and patronised at the most basic level. KFC's, movies, hairstyles, clothing, music etc. So it's not preached at mosque level, but it is practised and accepted in most countries regardless.

Good article.

Re: The Quran flap at UNC

Chalta Hai

I seriously dont believe Freidman …first he is a zioinist who lives or has property in Israel & second learning about Koran is not reading Koran the way Muslimread it …Many NON MUSLIMS westerners read Koran & translated it although we dont buy there translation either.

Dont compare as RECIPROCAL university peace corps,uno building & Detroit Motor City in Afghanistan if you want parity with Muslim.America does what it has capacity to do …study All the languages ,religions cultures history …No muslim put gun on head of American asking them to study them. America study them b/c it helps to EXPLOIT them ..Since Islam does not have motives of Exploiting anybody just stick to its philosophy teaching it has limited itself to study of its own koran hadittyh etc. right or wrong .

This freidman thinks 600 ppl. died in Gujjuriots

He thinks India is next super power

He thinks Kashmir should be Indias property

these & other nonsensical dstatements by Freidman make me believe more in Koran ..Jews are cunning & Unbelievable !!! :mad2:

Islam does not allow us to read or follow other books (religious books) so thats the end of it....
dont expect any friedman or any other joker to succeed in making muslims do that....

*I would bet that Islam is taught in virtually every state university in America — and was before 9/11. I first studied Islam and Arabic at the University of Minnesota in 1971. *

he forgot to mention what picture of Islam is portaryed there and how it is represented....

as Senator (former) Paul Findley mentioned that he first met a Muslim at an age of 52 and as he said it, in the universities where Islam is taught, Quran is a book authired by Muhammad, Muslims r warriors, barabarians, have no respect for women or otehr religions, bla bla bla....

i think we all know how the priests, the teachers and the normal people there visualize Islam....

lies such as those in these articles may fool u chaltahai, or maybe even u know its all false but just try to use it anyway for ur own Islam-bashing purposes, but its still just a pack of lies....