Re: The Province Urdu, and its City of Urdu
O my god I don't even know where to start...shows people's ignorance and lack of knowledge. Keep doing what you do and in return URDU will flourish even more. There can never be stop to beautiful language as that. so dream on buddy.
Re: The Province Urdu, and its City of Urdu
I know that these disappointing facts about Urdu can be very sensitive/hurtful to Pakistanis who have been brainwashed since childhood with all kinds of false propaganda. In the past I was also guilty of believing that false propaganda about Urdu until I became open-minded and did research on this subject.
Wake up before its too late… the damage Urdu is doing to Pakistan is infinite.
Now dont get me wrong, I have nothing against Muhajirs and Urdu, they both should be respected, but not at the expense of imposing them on the others, nor at the cost of Pakistan’s destruction!
Re: The Province Urdu, and its City of Urdu
Urdu/Hindi is one language with two scripts. This is a fact that only deceptive mentalities would deny. How come an alien language associated with Hindustani Culture has been imposed on the natives i.e. the sons of the soil?
Re: The Province Urdu, and its City of Urdu
is it true .. do pakistani belong from india ?? ( plz say no!!) cuz some of my classfellows told me that some pakistani ppl told them, that pakistanis belong from india, and i said HELL NO! THEY DONT, I am pure pakistani No indian shindian:grumpy: i guess those ppl were no pakistanis , caus no pakistani person will say that ever 
Re: The Province Urdu, and its City of Urdu
Linking Urdu/Hindi with Turkish or any other Central Asian, Middle Eastern language just on the basis of name or some loan words and thus making it palatable for natives as "the language of Muslims" has either origin in stupidity or deception. No language is Muslim or Kafir. Islam claims to be an eternal and universal system not bound to any region or time.
Linguists have classified it as an Indo-Aryan language with origin in Hindustan. And that is the whole truth about Urdu/Hindi.
Preservation of ones native language and identity is a matter of natural right that should be accepted by sensible minds. Cultural Chauvinism is bad thing.
Re: The Province Urdu, and its City of Urdu
Preservation of ones native language and identity is a matter of natural right that should be accepted by sensible minds. Cultural Chauvinism is bad thing.
Seems like pakhtun chauvanism from your side is totally warranted and justified. Waah.
Re: The Province Urdu, and its City of Urdu
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Linking Urdu/Hindi with Turkish or any other Central Asian, Middle Eastern language just on the basis of name or some loan words
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You fail to realize that Urdu does not just have "some lone words" but majority of words from Persian, Arabic and Turkish. You seem to be oblivious of this very obvious fact.
And you can not dump Urdu and Hindi as one language. I speak Urdu and yet I can not understand a single sentence if I watch or listen Hindi news.
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and thus making it palatable for natives as "the language of Muslims" has either origin in stupidity or deception
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It was neither stupidity nor deception. Urdu was the language of Muslims because it was developed by Muslims, and this is why it is full of words from Persian/Arabic/Turkish. This is in contrast to Hindi, which relies on Sanskrit for its vocabulary.
Re: The Province Urdu, and its City of Urdu
Per your claim, if Urdu is closer to Persian/Arabic/Turkish then how come Urdu-speakers cannot understand Persian, Arabic, or Turkish except for a few words. On the other hand, Urdu speakers can understand almost all of Hindi, and vice versa. It is a known fact that Urdu and Hindi are the same language except for the script and some loan words. In fact Hindi and Urdu were known as Hindustani language until they were “communalized” at Fort Williams College during British rule.
Azeri language in Azerbaijan is written in the Cyrallic script and borrows a few Russian words whereas Azeri language in Iran is written in the Perso-Arabic script and borrows a few Persian words, regardless they both are the same language… same thing applies to Urdu and Hindi. Another example is with Turkish language of Anatolia, if Turks adopted the Latin script and added a few European words, it still does not hide the fact that it is the same Turkish language… so much for the pathetic/lame excuse in differentiating between Urdu and Hindi based on the irrelevent usage of different writing scripts and word borrowings.
Re: The Province Urdu, and its City of Urdu
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Per your claim, if Urdu is closer to Persian/Arabic/Turkish then how come Urdu-speakers cannot understand Persian, Arabic, or Turkish except for a few words.
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Those "few" words run in THOUSANDS and THOUSANDS. I had a Palestinian friend in Pakistan who used to say that he can understand almost 50% of Daily Jang.
The main difference is pronunciation. It is because of pronunciation that all these languages seem different when spoken.
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On the other hand, Urdu speakers can understand almost all of Hindi, and vice versa.
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Not exactly true. What many Bharatis call "Hindi" is actually Urdu, and this is why Urdu speakers can understand it. However, the real Hindi, as in Hindi news, is hardly understandable to Urdu speakers. It would be a big deal if we can understand even a single sentence of true Hindi.
The only time when Urdu and Hindi speakers can understand each other is when Hindi speakers use Urdu words (even when they insist on calling it 'Hindi').
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In fact Hindi and Urdu were known as Hindustani language until they were "communalized" at Fort Williams College during British rule.
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There has never been any language known as "Hindustani" language. It's very strange coming out of a person who belongs to South Asia.
This name was given by British to the language used in and around Delhi prior to their coming.
A single college does not "communalize" any language. There was a language known as Urdu many years before Fort Williams College. Until the time of this College, Turkish had already become a distant memory here. The name Urdu itself points to the fact that this name was given during the time Turkish still was being spoken by Turkic people in South Asia.
As far as the root of Urdu, Hindi, etc. is concerned, it is quite obvious that not just Urdu, Hindi, Hindustani, etc., but also Sindhi, Punjabi, Gujrati, etc. were all originated from a single vernacular. Basic grammer and syntax of all these languages is almost the same.
That is why a person speaking Punjabi has absolutely no problem in speaking Urdu. Similarly, an Urdu speaking person also can understand Punjabi quite easily.
However, Urdu became a lot closer to Persian than any of the above languages. Every learned person of Urdu was supposed to know Persian by default. It's another matter that today every attempt is made to keep Urdu away from Persian. Because Persian is regarded as strictly Iranian (read "shia") language. And hence the shunning of Persian among Urdu speakers.