The Prospects of a Talibanized Pakistan

The Prospects of a Talibanized Pakistan

August 13, 2007 — 

Warnings of strong Al Qaeda resurgence in Pakistan and a wave of terrorist attacks in the country have once again splashed across headlines. The National Intelligence Estimate and the seemingly uncontrollable violence have reinforced the negative perceptions about Pakistan and heightened fears of its decline into Talibanization. But should Pakistan be written off as a Talibanized state just yet?

The reality is that while the violence is undoubtedly worrisome, it denotes a threat different from the fearsome possibility of Pakistan becoming Talibanized. With a fully functional state structure and a strong presence of a secular military, the possibility of a violent takeover reminiscent of the Taliban in Afghanistan is out of the question. For Pakistan to go down this route, Pakistani society at large will have to bite into the radical ideology. That trend so far is not evident. In fact, a closer study of Pakistani society—especially the 70 million Pakistanis who are less than 15 years of age and thus arguably hold the key to Pakistan’s future direction—presents a more complex picture. Negative trends mostly exist in some parts of the country’s northwest and north, the area generally associated with Al Qaeda/Taliban activity.

Predictions of doom usually conflate religious conservatism with militant extremism. While in the case of the tribal belt we find the two strands linked up, they are distinct and different in the rest of Pakistani society. The mistake is to apply the tribal model to all of Pakistan and perceive conservatism as necessarily reflective of militant extremism.

Religious conservatism—as perceived by mainstream Pakistani society—has a lot to do with cultural attitudes and pietism, but little to do with militant extremism which has stark political overtones. In that sense, stereotypical indicators such as the increase in the number of young bearded civil servants or military officers, or a higher number of children attending religious madrassahs are not good indicators of a negative prognosis.

The army’s performance in Waziristan and the Red Mosque crisis are two events that demonstrate continued organizational integrity. Terror attacks against security forces clearly show the extremists do not consider them allies in promoting a millenarian agenda within Pakistan. This is key, considering that the future role of the military and the professional, secular civil bureaucracy will remain strong within the state.

Moreover, the electoral preferences of Pakistanis have not changed. The Islamic political parties have traditionally been politically insignificant. Notwithstanding, their current presence in the ruling coalition, even in the 2002 election, they received only 11 percent total votes as opposed to 29 percent for the secular PPP. A fair election today is certain to bring one of the mainstream (secular) parties back to power.

Add to this the fact that a sizable segment of Pakistan’s young urban elite has been exposed to co-ed private educational institutions with secularized curricula. Products of these institutions subscribe more to western ideology than traditional Pakistani culture, which in fact they view as being highly restrictive. They have even created a burgeoning indigenous entertainment industry, manifestations of which are now being seen through highly westernized TV entertainment channels.

What is required is to ensure that the current anti-extremist outlook of mainstream Pakistanis is sustained over the long run. That can best be achieved by reinforcing such sentiments among the generation that will be in a position to influence the state’s orientation a decade from now. Here is where socio-economic polarization within the Pakistani society presents the only real threat to the state’s future.

While the urban elite have modernized at an astonishing pace over the past two decades, they have left the economically underprivileged classes completely out of the calculus. The equation becomes especially worrisome when one considers that almost 30 million boys and girls under the age of 15 belong to families that survive on less than $2 per day.

There is already a growing correlation between poverty and radicalization of the young generation. One of its manifestations is the sharp decline, over the years, in the public education system. The elite has virtually abandoned it and the dysfunctional schools cater only to children from the lower socio-economic classes. Surveys have already revealed that students at these schools show greater admiration for figures like Osama Bin Laden and express extreme hatred towards the West.

Further, owing to poor educational standards, this younger segment of the population is also one that is not well prepared for the job market. For now, these disaffected youth express their resentment in terms of complete resignation to their hopeless situation or at worse in acts of petty crime (criminals have rarely been involved in extremism). However, if this situation persists, Pakistan could in due course have a large population of underprivileged youth who could, potentially, begin to support a narrow radical vision of the state as an alternative to the failed experiment with secular regimes. If this segment of the population turns to extremism, then there will be a structural shift in Pakistan polity, for at the end of the day the military and civil service cadres are reflective of the society at large. This is a much larger threat than that posed by the extreme minority of madrassah cadres that can perpetrate violence, but have no potential to permeate the society.

The US current policy goal to focus on and reform madrassah education in Pakistan is myopic. It needs to emphasize mainstream public-education much more proactively to prevent radicalization among students in public-sector schools. This means more, not less engagement with Islamabad. Washington should continue to support Pakistan financially to ensure sustained economic growth and bring relief to these vulnerable young men and women. The US should also restore its direct role in education by immediately reviving an active public information program through its embassies and consulates, reestablishing American libraries and cultural centers, and providing open access to this pivotal Pakistani generation. Finally, it is in Washington’s long term interest to encourage further contact between the military and secular political leadership. Support to the Musharraf-Bhutto talks last week is a welcome stance in this regard.

http://www.brookings.edu/opinions/2007/0813pakistan_yusuf.aspx

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Thank Allah someone doesn't buy into the bull**** that Pakistan is going to hell. Interestingly enough Brooking is publishing this, which not only adds strength of facts but also academic and political credibility.

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Well, Pasthun belt makes up half the geographic mao of Pakistan... So if thats not a threat, then I dont know what is...
I doubt Pakistan will turn to extremist Taliban style governance, the threat to peace and prosperty in the country at the hands of these fanatics is something we need to be concerned about...

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^ So pashtuns are a threat.!..? By the same token, many can think that seculars sitting in Lahore, Karachi and Isloo are a threat ! Its a never ending debate.

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Its a never ending debate in stupidity.

Edit: Brookings is one of the foremost, if not the foremost think tank in the world dealing with International Relations and Trade. They actively pick the best and brightest from around the world including people from the Pakistan and Indian governments. If these guys publish something, they are bloody well certain that every single ambassador/prime minister/CEO will be reading it.

But you know your average Pakistani. It won't matter who said it, no matter how credible they are, if it doesn't agree with their own personal views - it is bull****.

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and the findings in this report also make sense especially to those people living and seeing things in Pakistan.

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The US current policy goal to focus on and reform madrassah education in Pakistan is myopic. It needs to emphasize mainstream public-education much more proactively to prevent radicalization among students in public-sector schools. This means more, not less engagement with Islamabad. Washington should continue to support Pakistan financially to ensure sustained economic growth and bring relief to these vulnerable young men and women. **The US should also restore its direct role in education by immediately reviving an active public information program through its embassies and consulates, reestablishing American libraries and cultural centers, and providing open access to this pivotal Pakistani generation. **Finally, it is in Washington's long term interest to encourage further contact between the military and secular political leadership. Support to the Musharraf-Bhutto talks last week is a welcome stance in this regard.
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What a pathetic group of people we are. Im ashamed continously to be a Muslim and then Pakistani.

We bad mouth the West, but they help build us. We live under shoddy and ****ti rulers, and complain its the "Wests" fault for being hardworking, centralized, politically focused and powerful.

We cant rule ourselves, so we are ruled by others; rightly so.

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The article says that the problem of religous extremism is highest in the frontier and tribal areas.. Last I checked, majority of people living there were Pashtuns... Im not saying Pashtuns are responsible for this situation, but extremism is rampant in that part of the country, and it makes almost half the country...
Reading the article, what else is one to conclude?

Dont understand how a secular person is a threat...

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Explain to me how are seculars threat to anyone? Maybe I missed something, but I have never heard of any secular ever becoming a walking talking human bomb, and killing innocent people in the name of Islam.

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It was not always like that. Our own govt created this Jihadi monster that is out of control now.

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If we are going to be retarded and make this a religious secular issue, then most westerners are secular individuals with secular governments. I believe these secular people used bio-chemical weapons in Vietnam and Cambodia. They used DUI weapons in Iraq. The list is long and boring.

The point that everybody misses in this retarded debate of secularism and religion is the following:

The fanatics do not represent:
1. The religion they use to justify their actions
2. The people who they attack.

Defining all religious people by the standard of a minority is a retarded and racist concept. Its like saying all Pakistani who live abroad are ABCDs. It helps no one.

I suggest we just forget the secular vs religious debate and discuss the merits of the text linked.

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We should prepare ourselves to live in the stone age again while rest of the world including our respected LaeeqKhan live pecefully and prosper.

P.S. I am in Karachi.

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Hope all is well and you were not at the PPP rally.

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I agree, generalization is not a good thing for any group. BTW, my problem is mixing religion with politics b/c outcome has never been pretty, and history is full of examples of misused or religions. Also, the problems that we're facing today are direct result of mixing of religion and politics.

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Shamraz personal opinion here but that is only modern history. If you look at World History before say the renaissance, all societies were governed by religion. Be it the Aztecs, Mayans or as far as the civilizations in Japan and the Orient. Secondly in our part of the world (Asia and Africa) each civilization has actively mixed religion and politics. Be it the Egyptians, Zulu's or ancients civilizations of the middle east.

Societies from the dawn of time have actively mixed religion and rule of society together. Leaders were chosen by religious decree's, there were human sacrifices. Secularism is a brand new concept compared to the concept of religion in politics.

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I have seen a provoctive book written on Lal Masjid event in the hands of students of religious schools here in Karachi and more and more people are getting inspired by these things.

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And that was all before eye-opening scientific revolution of the last 500 years.

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Well, that is true, but keep in mind that ruling elites (much like now in 3rd world) were in bed with clergy in suppressing vast majority on bottom of the society to sustained their hold on power. Secularism, on the other hand, is based on the idea of freedom and democracy, and those on bottom of the society actually have voice through democratic process in picking their leaders.

BTW, in Islamic World, since end of the era of Khaliffa-e-Rashedeen (sp?) there has never been a true Islamic system of government anywhere in the world. We have had Islamic empires (political governments in the name of religion), but no true Islamic govt that can be used as a model for modern world.

And, the reason is very simple. In early days of Islam there was indeed one Ummah and there were no sects dividing Muslim, and Islamic world was very small. That is no longer the case. That is why it will not work in modern world. Now, when one thinks about Islamic govt what comes to mind is Taliban, and Saudi Arabia. Nobody in their right mind would call those govts Islamic, or wants to live under such system. That is not what Islam is all about.

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The Mayans figured out the earth revolved around the sun before Galileo's grandfather was born. The Egyptians did so much in the way of agriculture development and basic architecture. The Greeks a very very religious society developed modern mathematics you are taught between grades 6 and 8 in any system around the world.

Shamraz so how has that changed in the current order? The US clergy is still in bed with the senators and presidents. To date there has only been one Catholic president of the us. The past 50 odd presidents have all be protestants. The white house has a chapel built into it. In France the President always goes for Easter Mass. In Russia, the entire ruling politburo goes for Orthodox Christian masses and celebrates the days of certain Russian saints. Italy is beholden to the Vatican are as a majority of the Iron curtain states like Poland and Romania.

There is not a single country in the democratic west which does not have the clergy influencing them.

Freedom is a separate issue. Some civilizations like the Greeks, Roman and Ottoman, were based on absolute freedom. Islamic empires provided the simple freedoms we enjoy today. Freedom of religion, after the Spanish Inquisition, all the Jews lived in the Islamic world for 200 years before going back to Europe.

As for it not working. In 1992 - with the Masstrict treat - the EU proved two things. The concept of the nation state is dead. Only 50 years old, but still dead. ASEAN, ASEAN+3 APEC, EU, Mercosur et al are economic unions with one simple policy. Together we will do better. That is point number two. We are humans, our boundaries are artificial. We can do better as a collective union.

While the Ummah defines itself by religion, these entities take economics and trade as their defining mater. And in both cases it works. Globalization has aided in making the simple point that was made by our Prophet and his followers. We are one people.

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Clergy maybe influencing politicians, but we're talking about is the system. In most secular and democratic countries religious test is not required to hold a political office. Person's faith is person's faith, no one should be forced to believe or not to believe in any particular religion, but if your religious beliefs help you make good person than all the power to you. I have no problem with that.