Re: The Prophet only knows what Allah reveals to Him
Hi stircasy, can be more specific. I could not get your exactly can you please be more detailed.
what I mean is, let us say there are 100 people who believe in Allah. And there is the Prophet. If Prophet can only know what Allah reveals him to know. isn't that applicable to all 100? How can they know something that Allah did not reveal?
Re: The Prophet only knows what Allah reveals to Him
I dunt think anyone disagrees that Prophet s.a.w only knows What ALLAH told him but how can u say that he s.a.w isnt the one who've read Loh-e-mehfooz ;), and do u mind adding translation next to every ayyat, make it little less confusing.
I dnt really know y is a big concern that how much Prophet s.a.w knows... He knows more than all of us, so how wud we even know how much he knows ... I think we have better things to worry about !
With all due respect i believe it depends what subject we are talking about. Otherwise we would have seen technological revolutions during his times. The scientific studies would all have been finished during that time itself. Prophet came only with a specific message no more no less.
Re: The Prophet only knows what Allah reveals to Him
Prove to me from the Quran that Prophet had ilm-al-ghaib, no other sources for now.
For your reference, please read Surah Al Qadr, clearly Allaah says to the Prophet Wa ma adraka ma layl at ul Qadr.
Now go ahead andprovie your point now. Use the sources of the Quran.
If i had a slave and he tried to disgrade my love... i wud freaking fire him :@
At anyrate r we serious abt talkin how much Prohet s.a.w Knew rather than worring about how much do we know
abt source from Quran .. I wud need some help from some hafiz brother here ... to tell me where can i find this ayyat.
" fa-la Uz-hir wa-ala ghaib-e-hi liaa mun-alritza main Rasool."
Thanks
now rest.... aur tumhain kia maloom key shab-e-qadr kia hai"
So mr. ALLAH ka salve knows that and Prophet s.a.w didnt. where does it say that ALLAH is reffering to Rasool s.a.w when he says that. U r a total screw head.
to me It is normal for humans to see things the way they want to see, while reality cud be different. thats where concept of positive and negative thinking develops. U r so much into disgrading Prophet s.a.w that even though Ayyat or soorat No where mentions that ALLAH is reffering to Prophet s.a.w but u wana see it this way, so u wud like to think ALLAH is Telling Prophet s.a.w
One more fact, today am gona say how i feel things r. It is been like this from the begining that u coudnt bring ur beloved shabas to the level of Prophet. s.a.w so easier way was to bring to level of Prophet s.a.w down. So u cud say Prophet s.a.w is like us which means all Sahab's could get close to the rank of Prophet.
So in the end my conclusion wud be, I wudnt compare the Knowledge of Rasool s.a.w to what ALLAH knows, but After ALLAH Rasool s.a.w knows the most.
Re: The Prophet only knows what Allah reveals to Him
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though it may look like out of topic but, can anyone tell me about Waqay-e-Ufq, when Hazrat Ayesha (RZA) was blamed and Prophet (PBUH) was quite until Allah (SWT) reavled her Innocence in Quran...?
If the Prophet (PBUH) had Ilm-ul-Ghayab, y couldn't he forsee the innocence of the her Wife...???
I look at the same story little differently. Sounds to me like Prophet s.a.w knew jibrael is about to come with a message. Even though i dunno the back ground of story, All i know is what u have mentioned in ur post.
Re: The Prophet only knows what Allah reveals to Him
With all due respect i believe it depends what subject we are talking about. Otherwise we would have seen technological revolutions during his times. The scientific studies would all have been finished during that time itself. Prophet came only with a specific message no more no less.
ok no offence. So it sounds like U wanted Prophet s.a.w to make aircrafts and spaceships, to proof that he had knowledge ? at how many occasions Imam Ali asked people that ask me what you want to ask. Now if i know some calculus this doesnt mean am gona be teaching my 5th grader brother how to do calc. I mean i wud only discuss it with somone who has some idea. and 1400 years ago i dunt think even the word technology existed. i hope u get the point.
Our technolgy yet cant explain how Prophet s.a.w broke moon into two peices, we simply call it miracle, the things that cant be explained how. i have heared from the begining that world is round while in hadees kisa it says, "aur zameen ko jo bichai gai" and finally abt 3 yrs back theyme up with the theory that earth isnt round after all.
Rasool s.a.w stopped us from eating haram, even though he cud have explained y things are haram who cud have followed what he was talkin abt ?
Re: The Prophet only knows what Allah reveals to Him
ok no offence. So it sounds like U wanted Prophet s.a.w to make aircrafts and spaceships, to proof that he had knowledge ? at how many occasions Imam Ali asked people that ask me what you want to ask. Now if i know some calculus this doesnt mean am gona be teaching my 5th grader brother how to do calc. I mean i wud only discuss it with somone who has some idea. and 1400 years ago i dunt think even the word technology existed. i hope u get the point.
Our technolgy yet cant explain how Prophet s.a.w broke moon into two peices, we simply call it miracle, the things that cant be explained how. i have heared from the begining that world is round while in hadees kisa it says, "aur zameen ko jo bichai gai" and finally abt 3 yrs back theyme up with the theory that earth isnt round after all. Rasool s.a.w stopped us from eating haram, even though he cud have explained y things are haram who cud have followed what he was talkin abt ?
Peace aqeel123
Zameen ko bichai gai ... does not necessitate the world to be flat. Unfortunately the urdu language restricts the concepts behind the word "to spread" ... The word used in common language in English for example for spread as in a sheet is the same word to spread across a 3D surface, in urdu however, the word bichai and philai are two words with slightly different meanings. The aspect of spreading like a sheet is in reference to the point of view where the onlooker is standing on the Earth. The effect of lass mass stretch on the horizon would from the external perspective seem like a growing across a curved surface. The two are the same concepts but from different reference points. We should understand "zameen" to mean land mass not the whole Earth. i.e. the land mass will grow.
Re: The Prophet only knows what Allah reveals to Him
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nice post psyah, i have been thingking about it lately and u make alot of sense. I never said the earth is flat, i was just referring to the fact that we have been to moon and its been decades. However we werent or i wud say arnt sure about shape of earth, Islam have given us alot of hints in Quran and ahadees, If some muslim scholar can put them together he wud make a great development in technology.
since u were able to explain or think about and give a possibilty of what zameen means then lemme throw something else at u, i think u will be intrested. I read some where " Asmaan ko jo banay gaya" which makes sense and i think amsaan is sky however am not totally sure lolx. Now there comes something else in the same scentence. " falak ko jo dora kerta hai" bfr i thought abt these scentenes and tried to make sense out of em i use to belive that asmaan and falak both r sky. But after thinking about it was clear that they r different. Falak is something that revolves and Only things that i know about in universe that revolves r , 9 plannets inlcuding earth and moon if i am not wrong. And am not sure if its moons.
Now ur logic comes in, If Zameen is only land mass, then falak could be the whole earth or all nine plannets and moons lemme know what you think about it. I might be completly off but i was just guessing a possibility :)
thanks
wasalam
Aqeel
Re: The Prophet only knows what Allah reveals to Him
ok no offence.
None taken.
So it sounds like U wanted Prophet s.a.w to make aircrafts and spaceships, to proof that he had knowledge ?
Unfotunately thats what some people were suggesting that prophet had knowledge more than all of us. If the person was talking about wisdom I would agree with him but knowledge and wisdom are two different things.
at how many occasions Imam Ali asked people that ask me what you want to ask.
By any chance are you suggesting that Ali was as wise as the prophet?
Now if i know some calculus this doesnt mean am gona be teaching my 5th grader brother how to do calc. I mean i wud only discuss it with somone who has some idea. and 1400 years ago i dunt think even the word technology existed. i hope u get the point.
Logic is really funny sometimes. Using the example above will it be safe to say that if I do not discuss rocket science with you (assumption on my part that you would not understand) will make me an expert rocket scientist?
Our technolgy yet cant explain how Prophet s.a.w broke moon into two peices, we simply call it miracle, the things that cant be explained how. i have heared from the begining that world is round while in hadees kisa it says, "aur zameen ko jo bichai gai" and finally abt 3 yrs back theyme up with the theory that earth isnt round after all. Rasool s.a.w stopped us from eating haram, even though he cud have explained y things are haram who cud have followed what he was talkin abt ?
I could not see your point bringing in the miracles into the discussion. Knowledge, wisdom and miracles are three different topics.
Re: The Prophet only knows what Allah reveals to Him
^^ nice post psyah, i have been thingking about it lately and u make alot of sense. I never said the earth is flat, i was just referring to the fact that we have been to moon and its been decades. However we werent or i wud say arnt sure about shape of earth, Islam have given us alot of hints in Quran and ahadees, If some muslim scholar can put them together he wud make a great development in technology.
since u were able to explain or think about and give a possibilty of what zameen means then lemme throw something else at u, i think u will be intrested. I read some where " Asmaan ko jo banay gaya" which makes sense and i think amsaan is sky however am not totally sure lolx. Now there comes something else in the same scentence. " falak ko jo dora kerta hai" bfr i thought abt these scentenes and tried to make sense out of em i use to belive that asmaan and falak both r sky. But after thinking about it was clear that they r different. Falak is something that revolves and Only things that i know about in universe that revolves r , 9 plannets inlcuding earth and moon if i am not wrong. And am not sure if its moons.
Now ur logic comes in, If Zameen is only land mass, then falak could be the whole earth or all nine plannets and moons lemme know what you think about it. I might be completly off but i was just guessing a possibility :) thanks wasalam Aqeel
Assalam aqeel123
If I have understood you correctly, then I agree with your conclusion, but you need to know some important things about our universe.
First of all ... Even the sun is travelling on a curved path the whole solar system is travelling at immense speeds around galaxy and the galaxies themselves are doing tawaf.
Aasman can be the sky but space is also a type of sky or a higher layer of it. Earth sky, galactic space, Intergalactic space, local group space and intergroup space are five levels of different skies that we can see. Perhaps they are all classed as one?
I'm quite sure the Earth has always intended to be spherical when Muhammad (SAW) spoke about it, but in some cases there were definite references to how we perceive the sun, moon motion rather than how they are moving relative to 3D space.
Re: The Prophet only knows what Allah reveals to Him
The Prophet knew some of the things that will happen in the future and some of the news of the previous nations, but that was through revelation from Allah; However the Prophet does not pertain all the knowledge, or all that the Prophet knows.. that's an exaggeration by some who claim to be sufis. But true sufis like al-Jaylaniy and Imam Ahmad ar-Rifa^iy and al-Junayd.. they don't have such beliefs.
They believe that Allah exists without a beginning and without a place, and that Allah does not need any of his creations, and that the Prophets are the slaves of Allah sent to convey Islam.
Re: The Prophet only knows what Allah reveals to Him
Prophet is not even aware that he knows nothing beyond what God tells him, however an ordinary person knows it.