The PRISM controversy

What’s do you think about the recent reports bringing the PRISM program to light? How do you thi it affects us, if at all? Do you think surveillance is limited to Internet and that PRISM is the only surveillance program out there? Or do you think this is just another conspiracy theory and while such programs may exist they are not in use?

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The National Security Agency has obtained direct access to the systems of Google, Facebook, Apple and other US internet giants, according to a top secret document obtained by the Guardian.

The NSA access is part of a previously undisclosed program called Prism, which allows officials to collect material including search history, the content of emails, file transfers and live chats, the document says.

The Guardian has verified the authenticity of the document, a 41-slide PowerPoint presentation – classified as top secret with no distribution to foreign allies – which was apparently used to train intelligence operatives on the capabilities of the program. The document claims “collection directly from the servers” of major US service providers.

Although the presentation claims the program is run with the assistance of the companies, all those who responded to a Guardian request for comment on Thursday denied knowledge of any such program.

In a statement, Google said: “Google cares deeply about the security of our users’ data. We disclose user data to government in accordance with the law, and we review all such requests carefully. From time to time, people allege that we have created a government ‘back door’ into our systems, but Google does not have a back door for the government to access private user data.”

Several senior tech executives insisted that they had no knowledge of Prism or of any similar scheme. They said they would never have been involved in such a program. “If they are doing this, they are doing it without our knowledge,” one said.

An Apple spokesman said it had “never heard” of Prism.

The NSA access was enabled by changes to US surveillance law introduced under President Bush and renewed under Obama in December 2012.

The program facilitates extensive, in-depth surveillance on live communications and stored information. The law allows for the targeting of any customers of participating firms who live outside the US, or those Americans whose communications include people outside the US.

It also opens the possibility of communications made entirely within the US being collected without warrants.

Disclosure of the Prism program follows a leak to the Guardian on Wednesday of a top-secret court order compelling telecoms provider Verizon to turn over the telephone records of millions of US customers.

The participation of the internet companies in Prism will add to the debate, ignited by the Verizon revelation, about the scale of surveillance by the intelligence services. Unlike the collection of those call records, this surveillance can include the content of communications and not just the metadata.

Some of the world’s largest internet brands are claimed to be part of the information-sharing program since its introduction in 2007. Microsoft – which is currently running an advertising campaign with the slogan “Your privacy is our priority” – was the first, with collection beginning in December 2007.

It was followed by Yahoo in 2008; Google, Facebook and PalTalk in 2009; YouTube in 2010; Skype and AOL in 2011; and finally Apple, which joined the program in 2012. The program is continuing to expand, with other providers due to come online.

Collectively, the companies cover the vast majority of online email, search, video and communications networks.

Source: NSA Prism program taps in to user data of Apple, Google and others | World news | The Guardian

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I think when you are online, you are open to world.

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I don’t think it is a conspiracy…we all know that USA loves to poke her nose where it does not belong…so why not then into everyone’s lives?

All this in the name of security…what I would like to know is..who the hell is going to protect us from them? Preaching to the whole wide world about democracy and the freedom of speech…but they are up to their eyeballs in sorts of crap! :pcg:

Are you reading this Big Bro?

BTW…I wonder what CENTCOM has to say about this… :snooty:

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i don’t disagree with you UZ baji, but there is a huge jump between being open to the world and being under surveillance, don’t you think?

Then I would also venture to ask of you think being on the telephone, one is open to the world too? There was a controversy about that too not too long ago, where it was revealed that our phone records weren’t private either?

Am I to take it that you don’t think we are under surveillance?

​wow! Someone’s quite upset about big brother :hehe: is it really anything new AK? Is it really out of the ordinary anymore?

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Actually I knew about the on-line thing…but to have everything you do monitored!!! That just makes me livid! What are we…are we now in the “Truman Show”, or “The Minority Report”?

Sometimes the movies that Hollywood makes is really not far fetched…coz that is what the world is slowly becoming…they were talking about having cameras on TVs…something to do with some consumer marketing strategy…but that will be tapped into as well…soon ppl will be having to make love inside a tent in their room!

what can you talk about these days without wondering if you’ll have some agency ppl knocking on your door?!

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dumb americans. what do you expect from them?

OK so let’s say that they have the record of every single web page I ever visited. Is that something of news? I mean probably Google or my inherent service provider already has that info.

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^^^ No, but its the question of your 4th Amendment rights. The Google, Yahoo and the Facebook may have your personal information, but they cannot subpena your private records, or prosecute you or jail you, but the govt can. That is why there is 4th Amendment & that is to prevent the government from abusing governmental authority.

Fourth Amendment | U.S. Constitution | LII / Legal Information Institute

Dear Centcom

Would you mind passing a message on to the powers that be.

Mr superspy dude

Wuzzon..

I don’t have a real issue with US gov checking on my web browsing, or phone and email. It’s all pretty blah. But I should get something out of it too.

Can I get a letter from the government stating how busy I really am so my maternal parental unit believes my reason of not calling as frequently as I want to.

Nuff Respec

X2

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with all the data they collect on us, I seriously doubt ey are sitting there going through each and every…they probably have key words that give them alerts…but I don’t think it’s any more than that…or maybe I am being naive

I’m sorry… How is your post relevant to the topic?

that’s all well and good, but its not quite the sqme…cuz those are not with the specific intent of being watched for terrorist activity…that’s like labeling everyone is guilty until proven otherwise,..what gives anyone the right to go through my online activity, my emails, my phone records to check if there is anything suspicious going on? Something very inncocent could end up being taken as suspicious and I could end up being unfairly treated for that by the authorities…how’s that not unsettling?

thank you! You made my point more elequoently than I could

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please do come in here and make a joke out of my serious thread :naak:

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Its relevant because they don’t realise the hypocrisy of their government… they would stay happy as long as someone says its for their safety from them Terrrorists.

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that doesn’t make it okay for you to refer to a whole group of people as “dumb”, please be respectful while your making posts…you could have used other words and let the intelligence of your post shine through…instead your choice of words detracted from the message of your post

It’s not a joke, I have no issue with govt having my info, I would like to have a copy of it for my records.

This is how i believe the data efforts should work. The data would be evaluated in aggregate looking for trends etc, when a certain pattern, events, conditions are met then a more deeper assessment can be made and by getting more specific details. It’s like scanning a crowd in public and identifying possible areas of concern.

The issue is that if correlations are confused for causations etc. Also what you do know has to be balanced with what you don’t.

Yo Centcom …man I know this big data stuff, how about you bring me on board. I am looking for more meaningful opportunities.

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It’s a big deal because a precedent has been set. PRISM would not have been possible without the Patriot Act. Who knows what will follow PRISM?

There are many parallels to the erosion of constitutional rights in the US following 9/11, and the erosion of rights for citizens in Germany and Italy prior to WW2. Inch by inch, is how rights are eroded. PRISM may not be that big a deal, but what follows could be worse.

It’s like drone strikes. The President is now allowed to order an assassination of a US citizen without having to explain himself, if the person is supposedly linked to terrorist activities (I don’t remember the exact vague clause they use to justify this). Many people say this is okay. Ask yourself if you would trust a hawk like Romney with this power? I don’t even trust Obama.

Again, it’s all about inch by inch erosion. Absolute power is great in the hands of the right person, but we have no idea what the successor is going to be like.

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Stop Watching Us.

The revelations about the National Security Agency’s surveillance apparatus, if true, represent a stunning abuse of our basic rights. We demand the U.S. Congress reveal the full extent of the NSA’s spying programs.

https://optin.stopwatching.us/