The Praised One

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  1. This prophesy of Jesus calling Muhammad the Praised One is recorded only in Quran, only to justify quran by itself. The prophesy of Hosea clearly states that the Savior will not use any weapons or war or any warfare – say as listed by the prophet Hosea – bow, sword, battle, horses, or horsemen.

  2. Muhammad does not fit in this prophesy - 60: 1. O ye who believe! Choose not My enemy and your enemy for allies.

Muhammad does not fall into this definition also - shall the children of Israel return, and seek the LORD their God, and David their king.

  1. How many times would Iblis, manifestedly, say that he would turn away people, save God’s Servants, by his Book.

56:77. That (this) is indeed a noble Qur’an
56:78. In a Book kept hidden
56:79. Which none toucheth save the purified,
56:80. A revelation from the Lord of the Worlds.

O Islam, submit yourself to Prophet Hosea and Isaiah. The prophets have warned you. The Devil also has warned you. O Hagar Submit to your Mistress.

Quran

61: 6. And when Jesus son of Mary said: O Children of Israel! Lo! I am the messenger of Allah unto you, confirming that which was (revealed) before me in the Torah, and bringing good tidings of a messenger who cometh after me, whose name is the Praised One. Yet when he hath come unto them with clear proofs, they say: This is mere magic.

61: 7. And who doeth greater wrong than he who inventeth a lie against Allah when he is summoned unto Al-Islam? And Allah guideth not wrongdoing folk.

Torah -
Hosea 1
6 And she conceived again, and bare a daughter. And God said unto him, Call her name Loruhamah: for I will no more have mercy upon the house of Israel; but I will utterly take them away. 7 But I will have mercy upon the house of Judah, and will save them by the LORD their God, and will not save them by bow, nor by sword, nor by battle, by horses, nor by horsemen.

Hosea 3
2 So I bought her to me for fifteen pieces of silver, and for an homer of barley, and an half homer of barley: 3 And I said unto her, Thou shalt abide for me many days; thou shalt not play the harlot, and thou shalt not be for another man: so will I also be for thee. 4 For the children of Israel shall abide many days without a king, and without a prince, and without a sacrifice, and without an image, and without an ephod, and without teraphim: 5 Afterward shall the children of Israel return, and seek the LORD their God, and David their king; and shall fear the LORD and his goodness in the latter days.

( If Quran was inspired to Muhammad it is logical to say that Quran’s words is equal to words of Muhammad. If any Muslim believes that Quran has words other than what was inspired to Muhammad, the sanctity that Quran believes itself to have been possessing is lost )
EOM

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Jab

( If Quran was inspired to Muhammad it is logical to say that Quran’s words is equal to words of Muhammad. If any Muslim believes that Quran has words other than what was inspired to Muhammad, the sanctity that Quran believes itself to have been possessing is lost )
EOM

Man u come up with some weard stuff. Dont u have a PS or some thing to keep u busy

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Ahmadalrsan,

Before commenting on your quote about last para of the Post :

60:1 “O ye who believe! Choose not My enemy and your enemy for allies.” Implied - Do not fight with a person who is not your enemy. Also, if you are my enemy, then you cannot say to me this 60:1. If you and I were enemies at the revelation of Sura, then you try to win a battle using religion as a weapon.

I have no connection with Jews or have Jewish friends. I could see that followers of Judaism increases only by birth – at least in this 19 – 21 century. They are monotheists. They did not try to convert a Muslim as a Jew. Judaism is sort of Citizenship of a country.

If the question is asked – who is the offender - Judaism or Islam? - The answer is Islam

- first, Islam suspects the authenticity of Torah. Several Suras does this.
- second, Islam complains about jealousy of Jews and names them as disbelievers.

For the first one -

1) No doubt Jews had tremendous exposure with God or His servants. The ten commandments and ark behaved like a LIVING AND REALISTIC THREAT to physically preserve the intactness of Torah. With the awe raising from the ark, interferring with the books is not imaginable. All the books written till the ark was hidden by the preservers must be accepted for this reason. This means that substantial part of Torah need to be accepted.

2) If any part of Torah was not accurate - during the period God who was with Israel – ( because even Quran says Israel was forsaken due its disobedience ), He would have asked them to rewrite. Today, an archieologist would decisively approve a copy of Torah preserved by Jews. There is a TESWTIMONY BY JESUS THAT NOT A SINGLE WORD of TORAH WOULD FAIL.

For the second, due to one above Jews must be satisfied with Torah. Probably due to complacency they may refuse to accept Quran as they did to Bible. Probably due to fear they refuse to accept Quran. Either way, if the prophesy of Torah gets fulfilled till today and could lead successfully in the future, their refusal to accept any other book cannot be condemned. Jihad on them for this reason is not acceptable.

I will continue later.

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1) If building process of Judaism extended for several years, Islam had a building raising up very early. This would make anyone remember the Spider House proverb of Quran.

Irrespective of authenticity of the books concerned, there are certain key facts:

Abraham was given some promise. Isaac and Jacob were also partakers of those promises. Israel waited for 400 years to realise the promise. In 400 years the population of Israel also grew to claim itself as a separate nation. Md had his role models to follow in Abraham, Moses and Jesus.

Taking for granted, that Exodus version of Quran is the exact one, Quran confirms that the Covenant was given to Moses togetherwith books of Moses.

If divine vision equal to that of Abraham was revealed to Md, Md would have needed atleast the same amount of time to claim itself a nation for his religion. But Md did not wait, but tried to realise promise if any by military means.

Like Judaism, the initial years of Islam from 608 - 662 when Ali resigned the Caliph-ship, Islam also remained as family business - in which Md, his guardian uncle, his wives - Aisah, Hafsah, his fathers-in-law, his Sons-in-law, or brothers-in-law, his grandsons - were involved. From 624 atleast, Md was having some political sway.

Compared to Christians in their initial period of evolution, Islam was much better of.

2) During its infant years, Islam seems to have had some unpleasant experience with Jews. This experience and several other real life experiences seems to have been incorporated into Quran as divinie visions/guidance from God. By custom the said Suras were treated as principles having Universal Application for the descendants of Islam to follow. Say for example

i) If Md said to his contemporary Jews/Christians that Solomon leads a team of Jinn, then Md cannot convince about his divine vision to them.
ii) If followers of Md said to his contemporary Jews/Christian that Solomon leads a team of Jinn, then they cannot convince about his divine vision to their contemporaries.
The same is true about every comment that contradicts with Torah or Bible.

3) Coming to the question of authenticity of Quran,
a) Muhammad ( Md ) claims himself a last prophet. Therefore he rules out that anyone else including the Caliphs and Imams, who followed him, as incapable of being prophets and having divine inspiration, that the disbelievers from other religion can consider feasible.

b. It was claimed that Md recited Suras, his followers did. But it is also true that in 624 AD, the captives were used as scribes. The first vision was somewhere in 608 – 610.
c. Quran says that its verses are protected by God. Taking for granted, that this to be true, other Hadiths and Sunnas cannot be covered as protected by God.
d. The Hadiths for Sura 17:1 raised two different opinions among the scholars of Islam – whether it was just a vision or a real night trip to Jerusalem. Similar are for Hadiths for Sura 33. There are also a few cross references that may contradict the Hadiths with Quran.
e. Hafsah was having a version of Quran which was converted by 3rd Caliph as Quran.
f. However, Quran in Sura 56 gives chance for changing its content. If Md is the last prophet none else can change Quran.
g. It must be remembered that Hassan’s son was killed in a cruel way by a Caliph.

4) Md claims that Christians are also disbelievers in not accepting Quran. The dilemma of Christians is clear in Reveltion in two respects

- closing the prophesy itself ( this has taken place before 100Ad itself ) and

- the reference of antichrist appearing atleast from 65 AD approx. Revelation goes in detail and mentions about the Mark on the forehead of the Antichrist as 666. I have given one example each from Bible and Quran.
- Islam describes Solomon as a Jinn. A criticism on David’s son will be considered by Christians as a criticism on Jesus.
- Islam has too much reference of Jinns and references that it can be considered as from the God who rules the earth till the rule of God comes in perpetuity.

Quran 48:29. Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are hard against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves. Thou (O Muhammad) seest them bowing and falling prostrate (in worship), seeking bounty from Allah and (His) acceptance. The mark of them is on their foreheads from the traces of prostration.

Mathew 4: Again, the devil took him to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their splendor; 9and he said to him, ‘All these I will give you, if you will fall down and worship me.’

Hindus also have marks but are not carrying out Jihads like Muslims.

5) Iblis claims deceiving through a book. Torah cannot be considered the deceiving book - because of protection from the covenant and the ark.

Either Gospel or Quran can get the distinction. While Gospel tries to confirm with Torah, Quran tries to contradict both Torah and Gospel.

Because of this Quran is suspected by Jews and Christians.

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please don't start a new thread jab, say what ever you want in this thread