Does anyone have a map which highlights the areas where hindko is spoken?
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Why do you people have to make it so hard?
Anyway, are Hinkian and Hindkowan the same thing? And is the language Hindko in anyway related to the language Seriaki?
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The Hinki’s I was talking about earlier resemble Seraiki speakers a lot physical features wise, I know this from that family who lives in our village and Junaid Jamsheds song “Saanwli Saloni Si Mehbooba”, he said something about Seriaki kaano mein rass tappking, I don’t think Seraiki is related to Hindko then cuz our language is anything but kaano mein rass tapking, sounds horrible, my ammi use to watch Peshawari Hindko tv dramas, it was sweet to us cuz its apni innit, but to others it would sound so funny and harsh.
So if you call your self a muslim warrior, why do you follow castes? And I saw your picture. You're as dark as they come. Like you said, nothing wrong with that.
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So if you call your self a muslim warrior, why do you follow castes?
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I don’t follow castes, its my community which does, I respect anyone if they are good and ghairti people according to Islam, no1 is better than anyone else expect based on taqwa. May be I used the wrong term, caste system is practiced in other parts of the subcontinent, ‘status system’ is a better word to describe this.
Its not practiced so much anymore you have plenty of inter marriages going on and ppl accept it.
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And I saw your picture. You're as dark as they come. Like you said, nothing wrong with that.
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i've got a wheatish complexion with pink lips but they're they're brown with dark lips.
2 rite there's nowt rong wid dark skin, my fiancee is a dark girl and I luv her, it’s the very reason I like her so I told my mum to ask sort the mangni out.
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Salama alaiykum Rajput bro, u seem very knowledgeable about stuff like this :)**
Wa’Salaams Ashti.
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Isn’t that a contradiction? 
So are we the result of cross breeding between Punjabis and Pashtuns, a bit like mules then? Or are we totally different? Do we have anything to do with the Gandhara civilisation? Basically I’m not interested in what culture we have or what language we speak now, just wanna know our ancestry.
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yara don’t take it like that! This isn’t like a planned “crossbreeding” program or anything. The area of Northern Punjab and Hazara of NWFP have been very close for centuries. For example, if large numbers of Pashtuns settled in Mianwali and married women from there..a new culture developed..After centuries you become distinct. It is nothing to be ashamed of! Your ancestors were definately part of Gandhara because it is based from Taxila, which as you know is part of Northern Punjab. Also, Hindko is a very ancient language, it is not a dialect of Punjabi.
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Hindko is very closely related to Punjabi then how come people from Sarhad speak it? Is it the result of migrations and stuff? Where did this language originate Punjab or the areas its spoke in i.e. Sarhad?
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Hindko takes words from Punjabi, Pashto, Urdu and even Farsi. So it is related to all of those language. Have you heard Potohari or as some people call it Pahari? It IS a dialect of Punjabi..Its spoken in parts of Northern Punjab plus Azad Kashmir where its called Mirpuri. For example, in Attock, many Punjabi families speak in the Potohari dialect.
I do not have much information on Hindko’s origins, but give me some time to find out. Hindko’s “home area” in Punjab includes Attock, Mianwali and parts of Bhakker districts, in Sarhad it includes Hazara, Marsdan and Peshawer ditstricts. Eventhough thats the home area, don’t be surprised if you find Hindko speakers in Lahore, Peshawer etc.
I know of people who we call Hinki, I don’t know if that’s the same as Hinkian, only know one family and they are dark with dark lips, not dat dere’s owt rong wid dat but I know for sure we’re not the same people as them.
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My dada told me that we are not the same as Pashtuns, he said they use the word Pathan to describe their ethnicity and for us its used to describe our caste, we’re Pathan (high caste, farmers, landlords, ghairatmand) as opposed to the Kami’s i.e. Potters (Kumhaar), Barbers (Nai), Carpenter’s (Mistri), Weavers (Julaahey), Shoemakers (Mochi) etc.
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He may have been right. Muslims of India (before Pakistan was created) did this horrible thing of dividing each other in castes, which is truly an unIslamic concept. The “Pathan” caste is considered to be better than trades castes that you mentioned.
I think this caste thing works out in the favor of the “higher caste” members. Rajputs are considered to high caste as well, although I am happy to see both Muslim and non Muslim Rajputs turn away from that. Rajputs are tribals that settled in Punjab and Rajasthan, in order to integrate them, the aryans gave them the 2nd ranking only below the Brahmins. A lot of Rajputs were corrupted by the notions of this “caste status.” However many pure blooded Rajputs are aware that not only are they Rajput but also their subtribe such as Bhatti in my case.
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But if t
he difference were only status due to profession then why would there be physical differences between the Kamis and the Pathans? I mean obviously we are ghairti and stuff (with a Kami you can go shag one of their women and they’ll sit their like a dead horse and let you get on with it) and they do crap jobs but there’s more to it than just that, there are physical differences, they tend to look a bit dark and we’re fairer skinned.
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Naturally, the “higher” caste people were the invaders/outsiders which imposed this system on the local, so it makes sense that they would consider themselves “better” than others.
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There are some Awaan’s in our village, I don’t think they are called Pathans but they are not low caste like Kami’s neither, are they Punjabi or something else? **
Awans are a Punjabi tribe. Nawab of Kalabagh is the leader of all Awans. They are also heavily concentrated in Northern Punjab.
Salam
You know the Hinkis I was talking about earlier, I remember they are from a place called Talagang and/or Fatehjang or something like that, they live in a mountainous area, and they are usually dark, tall and skinny. You weren’t confusing us with them were you? Because that’s who we call Hinki. There language is similar to ours but not the same.
I checked on the website posted by Zakk and the word Hindki used for language seems to be used only for Northern Hindko and not ours.
Has anyone read Daman-e-Abaseen by Sikander Khan on the history of this region, I think it mentions the various tribes and their background, if anyone has a copy let me know, I want someone to look something up for me.
Re: Re: The Pathan's of Chach
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They have more in connon with the natives of Kafiristan then Pukhtuns, one reason is their peacful and timid stance in life.
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You’ve gone to the wrong parts of Chach then, because in our village there was always unrest between the different tribes, only recently there’s been lots of marriages and stuff between the various tribes so people avoid disputes.
Most Chachi’s are Yusufzai’s, some though don’t know this and only go by their clan name known in their village.
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Kaafirstan is a province of Afghanistan, whose populace, until recently were non-Muslims, hence the name we gave them...then we conquered and successfully converted them, and renamed them, their entire people, and their entire area to---> Nuristan.
How generous we are... ;-)
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A***,
Kaafirstan is a province of Afghanistan, whose populace, until recently were non-Muslims, hence the name we gave them...then we conquered and successfully converted them, and renamed them, their entire people, and their entire area to---> Nuristan.
How generous we are... ;-)
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That question's has already been answered.
Is it true that they are Greeks and came here with Alexander the great's army?
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That question's has already been answered.
Is it true that they are Greeks and came here with Alexander the great's army?
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Many would argue in favor of this theory. What someone notices when seeing Nuristanis is that they usually have blue/green eyes with blonde hair. I'm sure you've heard that while Alexander the Great and his army were trying to invade India via the Khyber Pass, they all froze up and died [except Alex]. Well a lot of them just settled in those mountains as well...
Yeah, I'd say they are Greek descent. Here's something else you could look into if you're interested:
The Seleusid dynasty--->one of Alexander's generals who became in charge of Ancient Afghanistan after Alexander's death.
I came across this post whilst searching "Attock", sir can you please have enough courtesy to provide a link well anyway your post is from this group.
groups.yahoo.com/group/chach_pathans