… I have never believed that it is possible to be in touch with a spiritual essence without devoting oneself to religion. However, to my surprise often people who are known for their western ideals, and out of Shari’ah characters are credited for being great mystics. This leaves me in a position where I cannot answer.
I find the words of great minds can have increasingly profound spiritual context, but I also find that it is not always the case that such people to whom these minds belong are in themselves necessarily exhibiting a spiritual persona.
Is it not necessary to be religious first in order to be spiritual? Can it be that just like there are other faith scholars of religions who are more knowledgeable than the adherents of that religion, there are also people who can produce mystical words yet themselves are void of embodying those words?
Is a true mystic not both supposed to speak the speak and look the look of a mystic?
not necessarily. i have seen very religious people not being spiritual, and also wot we see may not always be the truth.
as far as i have found elements of nature keep changing in almost every person, but how fast or slow im not sure , as these elements or traits keep changing things around them keep being attracted or distracted by them, this attraction or distractiion causes more changes ultimately changing ora ,
i believe its our ora that gets attracted to spiritualism
What I understand that we all share some similar thoughts which labeled as 'good deeds' and that good deeds goes further to higher level by self experiment either being religious or non religious. Such experiments cause an individual to see things very closely, very slowly, very positively without neglecting any aspect even if it sized as a dot, resulting one knowing real essence level in himself or herself and to be more closer towards spiritual level.
not necessarily. i have seen very religious people not being spiritual, and also wot we see may not always be the truth.
as far as i have found elements of nature keep changing in almost every person, but how fast or slow im not sure , as these elements or traits keep changing things around them keep being attracted or distracted by them, this attraction or distractiion causes more changes ultimately changing ora ,
i believe its our ora that gets attracted to spiritualism
Peace ~Iraj~
I didn't ask about outwardly religious people being spiritual, I asked about truly spiritual people being outwardly religious too.
A child is taught:
**What to do
**Th adult learns
**Why it is done
**If a person has not developed spiritual maturity then they will be caught up in outward forms of religiousness ... But likewise ... how can we say that a person is truly a Mystic if they abandon outward religion?
To be ritualistic and religious in my mind does not necessarily infer the people are spiritually developed, but in order to be called spiritually developed they can't forsake the religion ... the stepping stones that take them towards spirituality is religiousness ... the outward behaviour is not done for show but out of sincerity to be submitting fully ...
I think we can distinguish the mystic from religious, but we cannot create a mystic from the irreligious ...
What I understand that we all share some similar thoughts which labeled as 'good deeds' and that good deeds goes further to higher level by self experiment either being religious or non religious. Such experiments cause an individual to see things very closely, very slowly, very positively without neglecting any aspect even if it sized as a dot, resulting one knowing real essence level in himself or herself and to be more closer towards spiritual level.
Peace brother ... I didn't exactly follow that, but are you saying that it is possible to reach mystical heights without religion?
Peace brother ... I didn't exactly follow that, but are you saying that it is possible to reach mystical heights without religion?
Peace on u to brother.... actually what I was trying to say that a person can reach to 'spiritual level' in him or herself not to mystical heights. Finding the real essence in jismani and rohani ways.
Peace on u to brother.... actually what I was trying to say that a person can reach to 'spiritual level' in him or herself not to mystical heights. Finding the real essence in jismani and rohani ways.
Gohar Shahi claimed the same in the 80's back in Pakistan. hmm.
Google him. You will be amazed. He eventually claimed to be a prophet (false of course). Basically what he used to say was that you can attain spirituality by zikr of Allah regardless of your religion, and he used to teach his way of doing it.
No. I rather misunderstood you. Nothing wrong with how you explained it, now that I have gone back and re-read it.
Can you please elaborate a little further?
Peace Jinx
Some of the fans of Michael Jackson loved him so much they spent their lives learning his songs and dressed like him ...
They did his Sunnah ...
RasoolAllah (SAW) was not a person who used sit down and give intellectual talks and get audiences who used to clap and applaud him (SAW) ... Rather he (SAW) used to say things that would grow to change hearts and his (SAW) actions would be emulated and he (SAW) would do his (SAW) own work.
The access to the spiritual domain is through his (SAW)'s Sunnah ...
