In the past two or three months, I have had the fortune of meeting some more Pakis with progressive attitudes, unlimited elan and an uncanny ability to keep their religion in their pants. They tend to be born or raised here for most of their life, tend to work in my industry and have bf/gf’s, wives from different religion and cultures.
99% of them haven’t even heard of Gupshup. I found that interesting. Why do so few progressive, easy to get along with, secular pakis exist on gupshup. 
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because there is a difference between "pakis" and "pakistanis". u can't be muslim n secular at the same time. though there are few of them here who loves to talk about keeping things in pants n getting laid. i doubt u r a newbee here but wait a while n u'll get to see them.
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broaden your horizon.. if you consider on people who work in ur industry and have spouses that arent muslim good pakis then you definition is narrow.
There are a million of us who can kee thier religion apart from most conversations..
and we are equally as intelligent pah jeee :p
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Can you explain what you mean by "you can't be muslim and secular at the same time?"
Muniya: I just gave examples of people I have met recently through work. Of course there are people wiht progressive mindsets who are not in my industry. It would be naive for me to not know that. However, I have met around 12 people from gupshup, I would say 80% were progressive, 20% were chutiyas. The 80% I refer to would have no problems getting along with the Pakis in my industry.
That begs a different question, should Pakis who are as Suroor describes even be in my industry.
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In that case pah jee.. there are good and bad everywhere..
and gaandai lafZ nahee use karthai … :nono:
KIT
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Muniya, let me ask you then...are being a muslim and secular incompatible terms? is it a constant hypocricy...that is what I am trying to understand from Suroor's argument. Secular means separate but equal...particularly in terms of governance. Is living in Canada, a secular country haram for people who are anti-secular pro-muslim ala suroor?
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^ u r an oldie arent ya?
first of all canada is multicultural country not secular like france. ministry of multiculturalism here makes sure that ppl get to practice their religion and culture freely where ever they are. we r not made to be ashamed to be pakistani or muslim here unlike the idea of 'melting pot' in US or other countries.
personally, i like balance in life. i am muslim and i am pakistani and i live in canada. as a canadian i have a distinct culture that is unique like every other person here. Alhumdulillah i dont feel the need to act like others just to fit in. just because i am living in canada doesnt mean i forget my culture, my roots, my values.
and the so called 'progressive paki muslims' are just bunch of confused souls in my opinion creating their own brand of 'islam' and identity trying hard to be someone that they can never be.
just because u act like gora, walk or talk like gora, doesnt mean the gora accepts u as one of them. its kinda like an oriental with an afro i saw once in the subway. it was really disturbing.
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I think you are confusing secularism with assimilation and/or multiculturalism...that is your first mistake. Secondly melting pot doesn;t ask you to foret your roots, it asks you to add to the stew what you bring forth. Thereby not only enriching the stew but yourself...that is a separate discussion perhaps..but you have yet to explain why secularism and muslims are incompatible.
I thik confused souls are those that are trying to fit an outdated model into a tried andproven system and finding it hard that it doesn;t fit. Religion is a personal thing..everyone creates their own version of islam for themself. Some think that living in the west is haram because you are in compliance with supposed anti-muslim thinking, deeds etc...while others think that pontificating religious virtues is haram along with the holier than thou mantra....it is a personal thing...
I read in another thread that you have a foby accent...is that the reason you feel so anti-gora or anti-establishment. Do you accept goras?
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jeez u r on my case aren't u?
ofcourse i am not anti anything.. i am anti-extremism whether it be islam or secularism. i live in a land of goras.. i have gora friends heck one of them is even gay. i dont think my fobish accent has anything to do with the way i interact with others. infact my gora friends love my fobiness and are very respecting n facinated by my culture as i am with their culture. we both learn a lot from each other. i am not insecure about my fobby accent.. lolz. if that was the case i wud have stayed at home and not work or study at all.
btw if u are new, how did u know i live in canada?
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"just because u act like gora, walk or talk like gora, doesnt mean the gora accepts u as one of them"
I found this curious...why would someone act like a gora? Is there is a way to act like a gora? if you mean speaking without an accent from your ancestral home..then that is the byproduct of being born overseas or having lived there for a long time...doesn;t mean the person is acting like a gora. If you mean, marrying someone outside their religion or culture, then how does that make them a gora? Do goras usually marry outside their race or relgion? I think most goras tend to marry goras and religiously I think they probably care less. But does that make desis goras?
If your gora friends can accept you..why can't they accept someone who walks and talks like them? Pls. explain.
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brownies love to act 'westernized' n hence they act like gora. if u r dating, sleeping around, drinking or whatever u r acting like a typical gora/kala. u already said goras care less about religion than others, then obviously when u do the same.. u r trying to be one of them.
my gora friends actually make fun of those who bash their own culture and people infront of them. n to be honest i can't blame them.. desis who do that just look more stupid. if u cant respect ur own people, no one will respect u.
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PD, just as an fyi, just visit ms suroor's journal to see just how "accepting" she is of goras.
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Bigot is what comes to mind, especially when someone starts with "Some of my best friends are........."
That was certainly an insulting post, maybe you need to know a better class of people.
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Suroor, Matsui here..let me lay it on ya sister
"brownies love to act ‘westernized’ n hence they act like gora. if u r dating, sleeping around, drinking or whatever u r acting like a typical gora/kala. u already said goras care less about religion than others, then obviously when u do the same.. u r trying to be one of them.
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Ofcourse they are westernized. They were born in the west, not in Pakistan. They went to top schools, work in top firms, highly educated, are associated with multiple NGOs, have traveled around the world met more people from different backgrounds and still consider themselves muslims ven after having a glass of wine after dinner with their christian wife..
but you know what…they are not as good a muslim as a paki whose biggest ambition in life is to determine who is a better muslim.
Myopia here knows no bounds. Dating doesn’t mean sleeping around and it is not just a gora virtue..drinking doesn’t mean being a drunk…moderation whether relgiion or elixirs is the best thing for humans.
Secondly, I hav enever found these guys speak of Pakistan or the culture in a derogatory manner. I think people like these are the best ambassadors of a country. YOur friends apparently need to meet these guys…have a drink. Maybe one of your gf’s would end up liking one of the guys..never know..love conquers all..even religion. 
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i knew it!.. there was something fishy about u.
khair i am surprised there wasn't any getting laid, poll shoving n all this time.
ahh so this was lets attack /bash suroor thread. hehe.
khair have fun bacha loag..
minh- they are not my "best friends". i am so very very anti-arab along with bigot and anti-gora, i have a huge holier than thou attitude n i am a biggest hypocrite ever and i am always right. there u know me sooo well now :D
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Agree with you on all points.
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You give yourself too much importance for the limited intellectual disbursements you offer. It had nothing to do with you. You opined with idiocy and well...as usual...reduced it to the "woe is me" platform.
Still waiting on the secular bit...whenever you are ready feeling sorry for yourself.
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what makes u think ppl in pakistan dont travel around the world, havent had top education from top schools and colleges, havent worked in top companies? thats a big generalization on ur part.
anyone who drinks wine after dinner with their christian wife is obviously not religious enough to care about islam. or other wise wudnt be drinking it in the first place. well if ur mission in life seems to be who is being more judgemental n pointing out how the way other ppl live is wrong and urs is right, why can’t pakistanis do the same?
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LOL suroor, I have to say though I love your sense of humor and a lot of times I like what you say. I never said you were any of those things. I just said what it sounded like. A little bigoted and a lot insulting.
Me - I'm always right, also. According to others, I am also in high school or aged, depending on the writer, have no parents, no breeding, and going to hell because I practice the wrong religion.... now we are even :D