The Not Moderate Muslim Thread

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@CM

Since the cat fight closed the other thread while I was sleeping, I didn’t get a chance to respond to Fraudia.

Regarding the clarification on extremism. I personally find it annoying those people who say that they are Moderate Muslims or Conservative Muslims because the faith doesn’t change. Rather what changes is their political or socio-economic view points.

No Muslim accepts that a suicide bomber is a just act. Why? Suicide is haram in Islam. No changing that. It doesn’t mean you are a moderate Muslim or a Conservative one. Also is there a different form of namaz, zakat or code of conduct for liberal or moderate Muslims?

I agree it is a good deal of semantics but more importantly it unnecessary. Why must Muslims define themselves in terms which only appease the western crowd? The definition of extremism is normally someone who acts beyond the threshold. However religion, Islam and Christianity have very specific and well defined terms of what is acceptable and what is it. Very few people accept what Pat Robertson does is part of religion except his followers. Same with the Taliban. But people do not go out of their way saying they are moderate Christians just because what Pat Robertson has said.

In that way I believe the Westerns have a better and honest approach. They say I was raised catholic but I am agnostic. Like in the other original thread. There are some people who have been raised as Muslims but they are not. They are agnostic. They do not believe in religion but do believe in a supreme being.

agree with you other than the bolded part which I think is a little wishful thinking. a minority of Muslims does consider it to be justified. Either you are saying they are not Muslims, or you’re just making a factually incorrect statement. Here in the UK look up statements by Anjem Choudary, leader of Al-Muhajiroun/Islam4UK.

forget about doing something because of the West. while the impulse to just stick with Muslim is good, it eliminates important religious differences that exist and that matter. if you wish to eliminate those differences changing your language wont do that. just saying there are no sects we’re all Muslims wont change reality the next day. likewise, there are two real, physical groups that have a fundamental difference in religious belief in the Muslim world, whether you want to call it extremist / moderate or fringe / mainstream or whatever.