There has been fuss lately in the GS parenting forum about the inappropriate sexual content of the curriculum, especially for lower grades. Most of the fuss was based on second hand opinion from conservative Web sites such as family coalition for life (or some similar sounding name).
No one appeared to have taken the trouble to actually read the curriculum in its entirety. The above is a link that provides high level info. At the bottom there is “External link”. Click on that for the 224 page curriculum.
Most of the contents are about hhealth, safety and other useful physical education such as fitness cleanliness hygiene.
The document provides detailed breakdown of grade by grade subject matter.
Please read and provide your opinion. And please like this post.
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224 pages is a lot...would've read it if my kids were in a Canadian school. I could care less about the substance tbh...I get annoyed when some people think parents shouldn't take part in opposing the government policies (whatever they may be).
Like I'm not against the vaccines but I support parents who were protesting against government's decision of making it compulsory.
So if parents don't want their kids attending the sex ed class their wish should be respected by the school and the state.
I'm not gonna say any more than this nor I'm gonna get caught up into useless arguments...you have the right to disagree I guess.
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Anti-vaccine Jenny McCarthy train is BS. Those parents protesting vaccines are literally more stupid than a vegetable. This issue however is more social one. You cannot compare the two.If some one else's kid is not getting vaccinated, that could put your kid in harms way. Everyone needs to be vaccinated to have Herd immunity.
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Hareem I respect your decision not to argue.
Want to gently point out that one can get a lot without reading every word of the 224 page document.
What I did was look for content that was so objectionable to the folks in the parents section. I found they were onky 5 pct of entire document.
It is very easy to identify where they are from table of contents.
The conservative Web site link presented by two different posters has clearly misrepresented the contents of this curriculum. It will be very easy to verify that and find out the truth - in all of 5 to 10 minutes.
More importantly, this gives the vehement objectors of the curriculum an OBJECT8VE way to determine the TRUTH for themselves. Rather than rely on other links or posters.
Granted they may still find some content objectionable. But at least they wouod know EXACTLY what it is that is objectionable.
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Anti-vaccine Jenny McCarthy train is BS. Those parents protesting vaccines are literally more stupid than a vegetable. This issue however is more social one. You cannot compare the two.**If some one else's kid is not getting vaccinated, that could put your kid in harms way. **Everyone needs to be vaccinated to have Herd immunity.
Sometimes I wonder if kids whose parents refuse to vaccinate them should even be in schools with the others putting them at risk..
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Sometimes I wonder if kids whose parents refuse to vaccinate them should even be in schools with the others putting them at risk..
Exactly. There are are frightening number of these people out there and it seems like the new cool thing to do along with a militant stance on natural birthing/exclusive bf/attachment parenting etc. Herd immunity will protect against the odd unvaccinated child if there so happens to be one (let's say there is a valid reason a child cannot have certain immuniastions) but now it's a whole bunch of unvaccinated children being exposed to each other and others when their parents attend meets and stuff.
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@hareem01
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So if parents don't want their kids attending the sex ed class their wish should be respected by the school and the state"
Per the curriculum document, parents can keep their kids from attending classes they deem to be offensive and against their values. So their wish is being respected.
Unfortunately, people haven't read the curriculum and formed their opinion based on half truths propagated by conservative Web sites.
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If u dont mind...can I just say...
Let it go...Southie....(said gently)
She has a right to have her views...I feel the same way too...its okeyy if someone wants limit for her kids...
You can go on with ur views generally....
(Am I indulging more than required again)
But still it has been goingbon for too long...
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If u dont mind...can I just say...
Let it go...Southie....(said gently)
She has a right to have her views...I feel the same way too...its okeyy if someone wants limit for her kids...
You can go on with ur views generally....
(Am I indulging more than required again)
But still it has been goingbon for too long...and it has got nothing to do with conservative sites its our opinion in general...we are too grown up to be led by conservatives...
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If u dont mind...can I just say...
Let it go...Southie....(said gently)
She has a right to have her views...I feel the same way too...its okeyy if someone wants limit for her kids...
You can go on with ur views generally....
(Am I indulging more than required again)
But still it has been goingbon for too long...and it has got nothing to do with conservative sites its our opinion in general...we are too grown up to be led by conservatives...
Hope u can understand....:)
Hareem is a bright lady who can speak for herself. I happened to remember the curriculum doc stating something that was counter to her post. My goal was not to argue, but to simpky let her know her understanding is incorrect. Equally important - I didn't want that incorrect statement send the wrong information to whoever may read it. That is how we learn. It is not personal. Nor is it about scoring points. This thread was formed to simply state facts. Gently.
If facts that go counter to your belief bother you and you don't want to participate in this thread, you don't have to. Nothing to do with letting go! There is nothing to hang on to or let go.
You can speak for yourself that the topic has nothing to with conservative site and that it is ur opinion. The context for bringing up the conservative sites was to drive home the point it is BETTER to go to the source and get ur facts than to go to a site with an agenda and read their spin.
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Ok Southie, I just liked yr OP for the heck of it.. now just summarize it for us who hate to read too much. Otherwise, where is the dislike button?
Summary is in OP. To add:
95 pct of the curriculum is abt health, cleanliness, safety, hygiene, fitness etc etc that r important for kid.
5.pct is about sexual eductaion.
Only 5 pct of this 5 pct - or 0.25 pct is about some sexual explicit content. Which is taught later on.
Grade 2 - there was hoopla that kids r taught abt consent. What kids are taught is - if a stranger is trying to inappropriately touch them - something that is a real danger - how the kids can firmly say no.
I don't remember each grade by grade content.
I think in grade 3 kids are taught to respect all types of families.
The kids are allowed not to attend any session their parents deem against their values.
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Hareem is a bright lady who can speak for herself. I happened to remember the curriculum doc stating something that was counter to her post. My goal was not to argue, but to simpky let her know her understanding is incorrect. Equally important - I didn't want that incorrect statement send the wrong information to whoever may read it. That is how we learn. It is not personal. Nor is it about scoring points. This thread was formed to simply state facts. Gently.
If facts that go counter to your belief bother you and you don't want to participate in this thread, you don't have to. Nothing to do with letting go! There is nothing to hang on to or let go.
Y*ou can speak for yourself that the topic has nothing to with conservative site and that it is ur opinion. The context for bringing up the conservative sites was to drive home the point it is BETTER to go to the source and get ur facts than to go to a site with an agenda and read their spin.
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If I want to disseminate facts I can do that.
If you don't mind.
And what makes you think that what u posted..wasnt read.. I only read ur link and still had the same stand...
It is just that..
And.. the opinion formed was based on experiences..Pak is the country with lowest level of STD's even compared to India..so it Might be perceived that sex ed is not needed..
As for me.. I think Indian children should learn to respect consent & a few other things but such relations arent common here ..so I happen to believe it was not needed that much..
Baki.. I do agree with your original post and that u are trying to put a clear picture.. nothing wrong with that..
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And what makes you think that what u posted..wasnt read.. I only read ur link and still had the same stand...
It is just that..
And.. the opinion formed was based on experiences..Pak is the country with lowest level of STD's even compared to India..so it Might be perceived that sex ed is not needed..
As for me.. I think Indian children should learn to respect consent & a few other things but such relations arent common here ..so I happen to believe it was not needed that much..
Baki.. I do agree with your original post and that u are trying to put a clear picture.. nothing wrong with that..
You read the links I provided. So it was not about conservative site spin for you. But I didn't create this thread based on the link you read. I created it to make things clear, since the link from the family council site was provided by two different folks, and appeared to dominate the thinking of those who protested.
More importantly, even the links I provided were the OPINION - this time of more liberal sites. Since that thread had so much confusion, to me, it was best to create a separate thread focusing on FACTS. So when I found a link with the entire curriculum, I created this thread. Not to argue. But to provide clarity. To those who value clarity.
You state you didn't change your mind after reading the links I provided. That is OK. At least you did read the links. That is progress.
Your assignment for this week is to read the entire 224 page document and count the words forward and backward. And repeat till there is no error.
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^^Sex ed helps with understanding about menstruation, hygiene, contraception etc. and by extension family planning.. something that many in less developed countries need to work on..
It's not just about stds.. To say it's 'not needed' is incredibly naive..
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You read the links I provided. So it was not about conservative site spin for you. But I didn't create this thread based on the link you read. I created it to make things clear, since the link from the family council site was provided by two different folks, and appeared to dominate the thinking of those who protested.
More importantly, even the links I provided were the OPINION - this time of more liberal sites. Since that thread had so much confusion, to me, it was best to create a separate thread focusing on FACTS. So when I found a link with the entire curriculum, I created this thread. Not to argue. But to provide clarity. To those who value clarity.
You state you didn't change your mind after reading the links I provided. That is OK. At least you did read the links. That is progress.
Your assignment for this week is to read the entire 224 page document and count the words forward and backward. And repeat till there is no error.
I have stupid ARC's as assignment this week,.. or Khan sahb ne mere beizzati kr deni hai puri class k samne.. will read it when have time..:p
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^^Sex ed helps with understanding about menstruation, hygiene, contraception etc. and by extension family planning.. something that many in less developed countries need to work on..
It's not just about stds.. To say it's 'not needed' is incredibly naive..
Yes.. Deeba.. that wopuld be a word I shouldnt have used... As I said in Sex ed thread that I would have preferred if they split it over diffrent subjects.
And I also said issues are different here.. Maybe what I replied was totallly based on me living in India.. and I also said if my child has to be raised in Canada I wouldnt oppose...Its not about need...
As.. for one maybe what I am trying to say that if openness was a factor then it would have helped west way before..such questions wouldnt have arised..like in reserved places.... I am not denying its use in canada..
neither in other olaces.. but a customized syllabus.. with very less explicitpana.. and division over different subjects.. including hygiene ofcourse...with age factor taken into consideration..
while in canada 10 yrs. is a good age to know about this.. in India maybe some other age...
& waise we are talking about the same thing.. where I am talking about Indian and pakistani context... u guys are talking about canadian... where views dont clash as much...
