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The identity of a muslim is defined by their character, manners and etiquette. I beg to differ on certain styles of 'communication' that this lot sometimes fiercely indulge in, and hence I'd say have a look at this instead:
No intention to indulge in debate, ly yours
Mushi
Rather than saying 'instead' I would advise people to look at both, as their work is collaborative and they are both striving to achieve the same goal. Muslim complacency in the UK is shocking, it is necessary to shock people out of this apathy. MPAC (and their 15 thousand strong e-group), is doing this, and achieving results.
What has ettiqutte go to do with it? Should you behave with etiqutte towards the BNP, and Zionist lobbies that cooperate with right-wing Hindus to malign Islam? Or with those that tolerate this and say voting/political activism is haram or salat is more important than saving lives etc. Isnt saving lives an obligation too?
what is this MPAC
what do they want to achive?
Is'nt there already a group MCB muslim council of britain who already doing what MPAC doing.
The problem with groups like these are that they usually end up doing the british governments job for them for example there is a Member of parliment in birmingham who said the bombing of iraq is neccessary!
And this other fool lord nair ahmed since when is there lords in islam anyway he saying that the bombing of afghanistan was necessary and he supported it!
If Mpac is another group that is gonna sell islam for a cheap price then i don't think it will get very far!
yeah ak47 lets just all support HT and Mohajiroun goons. All show and no go. al bakwaas and no results, narrow minded, idiotic, medieval, cult like group.
Yeah lets just do that.
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*Originally posted by ak47: *
what is this MPAC
what do they want to achive?
Is'nt there already a group MCB muslim council of britain who already doing what MPAC doing.
The problem with groups like these are that they usually end up doing the british governments job for them for example there is a Member of parliment in birmingham who said the bombing of iraq is neccessary!
And this other fool lord nair ahmed since when is there lords in islam anyway he saying that the bombing of afghanistan was necessary and he supported it!
If Mpac is another group that is gonna sell islam for a cheap price then i don't think it will get very far!
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its what u called selling your deen for wordly benefits.
How can any sane muslim support the war on afgahinstan,iraq,palestine??
Well i wonder what these lords and mps would say if it was their OWN FAMILIES who were being bombed by f-16, shoot at by machines guns and their towns ransacked by tanks???
would they still back their "war on islam"?
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*Originally posted by Fraudz: *
yeah ak47 lets just all support HT and Mohajiroun goons. All show and no go. al bakwaas and no results, narrow minded, idiotic, medieval, cult like group.
Yeah lets just do that.
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Hell yeah...
There is some thing as Muslim etiquette and this is a major high ground to maintain in the jihadi sense. I am non-Muslim who has seen this aspect of Islam and have been impressed by it. Who of you would fall to the depths of the BNP, fanatic Hindus or the sharper edge of Zionism. The US & company is attempting to go as lightly as effectively possible in Afganistan. Palestine's moral authority leans to your side with some points taken away for suicide bombings which are now seen as less than desirable. Iraq is somewhere in between because the US may have manipulated it. The security council resolution handed down in 1991 seems to indicate that the "big 5 nations" thought it better the not totally trust worthy Saddam should have WMD. He is seen as somewhat more maverick than Israel. The resolution includes the phrasing that seeks steps to downsize the presence of WMD in the region. This means you Israel! Effective lobby groups are needed and necessary for Muslims in the West. Taking the political high route would be an arrow from the quiver of classic Islam, no?
Mr fraudia
you have yet to come up with a single solution to any problem you are just an armchair critic like these old chachaas from pakistan who complain about everything but do nothing about it and have no answer only complain and complain again if you got somehing to offer then lets hear it.
If you actually read my post i asked this person about group MPAC what they want to achive if its something good then fine lets discuss but instead you have chip on your shoulder about certain islamic groups which is pointless and nothing do with topic in hand.
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**Taking the political high route would be an arrow from the quiver of classic Islam, no?
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True.
But Muslims today are so disunited, that the question inevitably arises - would taking the political high route be an arrow from the quiver of contemporary Muslims?
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Mr fraudia
you have yet to come up with a single solution to any problem you are just an armchair critic like these old chachaas from pakistan who complain about everything but do nothing about it and have no answer only complain and complain again if you got somehing to offer then lets hear it. **
Read back my past responses to the exact same question by HT people. I have no intention of retyping it for you.
if I am like an old chacha who complains..why do HT ppl as a rule complain about effort from any other group at any time. as even indicated by your own post
*If you actually read my post i asked this person about group MPAC what they want to achive if its something good then fine lets discuss but instead you have chip on your shoulder about certain islamic groups which is pointless and nothing do with topic in hand. *
Oh come on now, thats sugar coating it a bit too much. Let me bring your attention to your own aqwaal e zareen
*The problem with groups like these are that they usually end up doing the british governments job for them for example there is a Member of parliment in birmingham who said the bombing of iraq is neccessary! *
sounds like you have a chip on your shoulder here :) since you have gone made a judgement on some group and use done MP to paint "groups like these" rather clever I must say.
*And this other fool lord nair ahmed since when is there lords in islam anyway he saying that the bombing of afghanistan was necessary and he supported it! *
What about all the good work Lord Nazir has done? btw speaking of no lords in islam there are also no secret halqas at different levels in islam either which is a modus operendi of HT.
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If Mpac is another group that is gonna sell islam for a cheap price then i don't think it will get very far! **
and then again you go and claim that some group may sell islam cheap like other groups.
You had a problem with my response and the "chip on the shoulder" bit. Well how about HT cooperating with some group and actually DOING something rather than just sitting around for 50 years and being a colelctive of rabid loudmouths who have nothign to show for the existence of this group for this long. And then you have the siamese twin organization of al-mohajiroun which makes HT looks like a results driven, progressive group.
tell ya what, how about we see HT's goals from 50 years ago, must be some document, some time line, dates by which certain things were going to be accomplished, short term goals, long range plans. how about plans for thsi year internationally and in each region or country?
how about some measureable results..based on soem targets set for long term and annual plans.
HT can just do talk. There are no results..
oh yes and do elaborate on the cult like halqaa system which takes more from the freemasons than from islamic traditions
fraudia
halaqah = freemasons woah now i know ur mad! 
whats next calling muslims jews geeee
you have no intention of answering thats good since this is a forum of discussion that is great!
but then again people who have nothing to offer or defend there beliefs are just armchair critics!
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fraudia
halaqah = freemasons woah now i know ur mad! **
would you like to explain why the “secret halqaas” excist and who came up with the idea? I am familiar with the stages of operation as well..all the way from indoctrination to wealth contribution to infiltration and growing influence in organizations. As I said, I am more familiar with how Ht works than most run of the mill members and maybe that is why the questions I ask are not answered since an avg joe member does not know teh answer. If the top leaders stop hiding they may be able to answer.
freemasons have secret lodges where the membership of the lodge is only known to lodge members..how are members from one halqaa introduced to members from another halqaa? explain that concept? or are you such an HT foot soldier that you dont even know how your own organization operates.
btw I would also like to know what mohajiroun have against HT. I mean is the khilafah that HT wants to breing diff than mohajiroun? what if both establish their diff khilafahs? I guess thats a moot point since your "ansaaR’ AKA the taliban of afghanisatn have been pimp slapped.
**whats next calling muslims jews geeee **
no only HT types declare others as non muslim, I am not in that mode 
**you have no intention of answering thats good since this is a forum of discussion that is great! **
I have every intention of answering, every few months there is somone else from HT who shows up cant answer any questions and bails. As I said search for Ht threads in world affairs you will see my suggestions and plans right there. once you find them and read them we can discuss.
**but then again people who have nothing to offer or defend there beliefs are just armchair critics! **
and organizations which have nothing to show for 50 years of existence are a waste of time.
Way to go Mushi :k:
Fraudz,
How dare you 
j/k
sorry sir ji 
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I thought there was a Muslim lobby in Britain. Richard Reed Lobby for promotion of Islamic Shoes.