I read in a Muslim newspaper that Louis Farrakhan took the Shahadah infront of many recognized muslim scholars....I haven't heard n e thing else with respect the the members of the Nation of Islam taking the Shahadah or not...
I'll try to find that newspaper.
Ahmadi Sahib, You did judge their Musalmaniyat as if they are better or not. I am sure no one other than God can judge this. You can get promotion but not to throw God out of his chair but nearer to his chair depending on how much rishwat (or effort) you make.
Thank you Partypooper, that made things somewhat clearer. You see the reason why i asked, was because like Hinna i heard something about Farrakhan taking the shahadah. Also someone from our muslim community, a very knowledgeable and respected person was invited to a conference in Chicago a few years ago, and over the course of the conference, he stayed at the residence of Louis Farrakhan, and naturally spent alot of time in his company. Therefore had a chance to observe and question that which was the nation of islam. And what he said was that what they believed and practiced was not much different if at all from that which we believed, in other words he said they were 'okay'. But Partypooper, you're right, alot of or rather the majority of the beliefs from their website seem to be alien to Islam.
I dont why we deviated from orignal post.
NyAhamdi The Nation of Islam is not ISLAM.
They violate the basic/fundamental principal of islam.
You seem to have problem with ISLAM ? Are you in Identity Crisis?
I think in your past something happend to you. ARe you Ahamdi? Why the hell Ahamadi people like to classify them as Muslim. You guys have religois complextion? Why dont you guys ought to work for as seprate religon. Just like there is Budisiam..etc.
(being too personal…
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i went to an islamic conference where sarraj wahhaj, and x member of nation of islam, told us that farrah khan was suffering with prostate cancer and could die shortly. he said he visited him in hospital after being criticised by scholars he tried to convince farrah of the true islam that exists. he did say that farrah took shahadda and that mr khan was not sure if his followers or fellow nation of islam members would agree to do the same.
sarraj wahhaj was initially told off by scholars but did what was right by letting one man understand the concept of true islam and the consequence of this is that a million farrah khan followers may also do the same. we should follow the same example and not be quick to condemn.
The following webpage will provide you all the answers you are looking for.
http:\www.islamic-truth.fsnet.co.uk\miscon.htm
alternatively, check out:
http:\www.islamic-truth.fsnet.co.uk
let other Muslim/non-muslims know of thsi website.
Jazakallahkhair
Salaam.
Thanks !!!
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Islam and the so called “Nation of Islam (NOI)” are two different religions. NOI is more of a political organization since its members are not limited to a single faith. Muslims consider this group to be just one of many cults using the name of Islam for their own gain. The only thing common between them is the jargon, the language used by both. “The Nation of Islam” is a misnomer; this religion should be called Farrakhanism, after the name of its propogator, Louis Farrakhan. Islam and Farakhanism differ in many fundamental ways.
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Source : http://www.islamic-truth.fsnet.co.uk/miscon.htm
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**Since when have Pakis be given the authority to decide who is Muslim and who is not?
Are you refering to the Qadiani\Ahmadi sect with your statement?
MohammedAliBakwas. Why would I have an identity crises, why would I need someone to tell me about my religion, what I am and what I am not?
Khan-Sahib. You misunderstood what I said, show my where I said that Taliban are not Muslim. I think they are a shining example of what a Muslim is capable of becoming. Now happy?
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*By the way, the Nation of Islam’s version of Islam is much better than that being practiced in Afghanistan. *
Ahmadi Sahib, I may be wrong as this is what I understood from your message above.
Please don't take Wise Man words as an advice to please me. He is one of the hundreds who sit in the streets telling fortune. I don't completely agree with Taliban and have no intention to join them in their power struggle.
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By the way, the Nation of Islam’s version of Islam is much better than that being practiced in Afghanistan.
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I beleive its also way better then the one you tech at home. But do you teach Islam at home? That is the question I ask, is that do you follow it or is it that you just like to brag all the time?
We are the Taleban-Resistance is Futile
Sin: Osama Bin Junior
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Originally posted by NYAhmadi:
**Since when have Pakis be given the authority to decide who is Muslim and who is not? Go and check out Islam in your own country and let other worry about their own faith. If someone says s/he is Muslim, no one has any right to say otherwise. You can call yourself dog’s behind and people will believe you. If they don’t then start a campaign to get recognition.
By the way, the Nation of Islam’s version of Islam is much better than that being practiced in Afghanistan. **
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NYAhmadi....its not an authority given to the Pakis to decide who is Muslim and who is not. Its just a matter of common sense I guess that whenever any Tom DICK or Harry gets up one morning and claims the prophethood and starts preaching ideas that are not according to Islam, practiced by the majority of Muslims, is therefore labelled non-muslim.
And secondly, who cares about what is the state of Islam in Pakistan, or any country for that matter. Islam teaches us how to live our lives, the country does not tell us that. And in this argument, the Nation of Islam's version of Islam is not what Islam has taught us and it has nothing to do with a country. So next time please stay calm, and rather than taking everything personally, enlighten us with the vast knowledge of religion you possess preferably without any reference to some animals gross anatomy.
Thanx
pseudo Islamic Cults
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Nation of Islam
The followers of the Nation Of Islam believe in (all quotes taken from their homepage or their publications):
…one God (Allah) and that Allah (God) appeared in the Person of Master W.Fard Mohammed, July, 1930; the long awaited ‘Messiah’ of the Christians and the ‘Mahdi’ of the Muslims…
However, the Quran states in chapter 4, verse 36, "Serve Allah, and join not Any partners with Him; ... ". And according to a hadith narrated by Masruq, in Sahih Bukhari, 'Aisha said, "If anyone tells you that Mohammed has seen his Lord, he is a liar, for Allah says (in 6:103), 'No vision can grasp Him.'...". The followers of the Nation Of Islam further believe "in the resurrection of the dead--not in physical resurrection--but in mental resurrection. We also believe that the so-called Negroes are most in need of mental resurrection; therefore, they will be resurrected first." But the Quran states in chapter 20, verse 55, “From the earth did We Create you, and into it Shall We return you, and from it shall We bring you out once again.”
Even more pointedly, the Qur’an also states in 64:7,
The Unbelievers think that they will not be raised up (for Judgement). Say: “Yea, by my Lord, Ye shall surely be Raised up: then shall ye Be told (the truth) of All that ye did. And that is easy for Allah.”
Besides the above two differences, the followers of the Nation of Islam also believe in other things contrary to Islam as defined in the Qur’an and Sunnah, such as:
[We, the Black Muslims, believe] “in the truth of the Bible, but we believe that it has been tampered with and must be reinterpreted so that mankind will not be snared by the falsehoods that have been added to it”.
The problem with this belief: The true Prophet of Islam ordered Muslims to neither accept the Bible nor reject it - certainly there was no mention of reinterpretation.
“That we who declare ourselves to be righteous Muslims, should not participate in wars which take the lives of humans. We do not believe this nation should force us to take part in such wars, for we have nothing to gain from it unless America agrees to give us the necessary territory wherein we may have something to fight for”.
The problem with this belief: The Qur’an and Sunnah are crystal clear on the necessity of going to war when the situation demands it.
The Nation of Gods and Earths (5% Nation of Islam)
The Nation of Gods and Earths (5% Nation of Islam) is apparently an offshoot of the so-called Nation of Islam. Like its parent, this group’s beliefs clearly identify it as being fundamentally outside the pale of Islam. Specifically, and we quote (from their homepage):
The original man is the Asiatic Blackman, the maker, the owner, the cream of the planet Earth, father of civilization, God of the Universe.
…the blackman is god and his proper name is ALLAH. Arm, Leg, Leg, Arm, Head.
This is in clear contradiction with one of the essential axioms of Islam, namely that Allah (God) is Creator and all else (including men - asiatic blacks or otherwise) is created. In chapter 25, verse 54 of the Qur’an, Allah says that He has created man, therefore it is logically impossible for man to be Allah.
The second quote above is a prime example of a tendency of the “Nation of Gods and Earths” to conjure up beliefs that are, to a large extent, highly confused. Some examples of these beliefs that have nothing to do with Islam are “supreme mathematics and alphabet”, an evil person named Yacob, a prophet named W. D. Fard, and a belief that black people are superior in some way.
The true Prophet of Islam refuted this last racist belief in his Farewell Address,
O people! Verily your Lord is one and your father is one. All of you belong to one ancestry of Adam and Adam was created out of clay. There is no superiority for an Arab over a non-Arab and for a non-Arab over an Arab; nor for white over the black nor for the black over the white except in piety. Verily the noblest among you is he who is the most pious.
For a deeper expose of this group and its parent (the Nation of Islam), the interested reader might wish to examine the autobiography of the late Malik Al-Shabaz (Malcolm X).
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DDeMarco.. My knowledge of religion (and other sciences) dictates to me to keep my mouth shut and not question other peoples’ beliefs. If someone calls himself or herself a Muslim (be it Tom, DeMarco or Harry) then he/she is a Muslim. I have not seen or heard Muslims from the other part of this world (e.g., Mideast, Africa, etc.) who go around questioning other Muslims and telling them that they are not Muslims, so yes, it is a Paki (Desi to be precise) phenomenon. One can criticize some practices and norms, but to go outright telling people that they are not what they believe they are is not only preposterously despicable, it serves no purpose. What if I said that you are not a Muslim (whatever you may believe that you are)? Would you take my word for it? I can go furthermore to suggest that your religion is sucky, how would that raise them bananas? So if you expect others to show respect to your faith and beliefs, you have to show some back. And there should be no need to advertise your beliefs to the world, it is a personal matter.
I have respect for every human. And thus their religon.
But its akward and gets me angry when people try to cling with the name ISLAM while they violate the ISALM.
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......I have not seen or heard Muslims from the other part of this world (e.g., Mideast, Africa, etc.) who go around questioning other Muslims and telling them that they are not Muslims, so yes, it is a Paki (Desi to be precise) phenomenon. .....
Ahmadi sahib, I like it when you pinpoint our own mistakes that we desiz do. As far as the MiddleEastern and African muslims are concerned u just have to live closer to them and u will find out what believes they have. This "desi" phenomenon exists throughout the world depending on the level of education people have. If u meet people from Phillipine they do question the beliefs of Western christians. They all question each other's belief on the basis of their own beliefs that's where the problem arises. If we all take something as a benchmark and try to compare things then this world would be a better place to live. Everyone will be happy.
I thought they all converted to Sunni Islam.
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