I agree with gurya here…Degas…your posts are not at all related to the subject …therefore…stop babbling…
Aisha (aashi)
Every one know we r separate people but the intensity of hate u r propagating here lead all u three to the same state of mind. Hate is ur religion. U have accused me of many things including showing respect to Hazrat Ayesha and other companions of Prophet?
Pakigurys,
Hows that?
Humble accused me of many things including showing respect to Hazrat Ayesha and other companions of Prophet?
Is these things turn one to non-muslim?
Is disrespecting Hazrat Ayeshs enable one to be a muslim?
I am confused?
Degas.......
I feel ashamed to call you a muslim brother (if you are one, which i doubt). Go learn some manners before you come in these rooms. How can you defend your religion, when you do not know how to defend yourself brother? You have a bad temper and attitude problem. The same sahaba you are trying to follow used to control their temper. What kind of Muslim are you? Why this hatred towards a guy who is trying to present Islam to the world alongwith its miracles?
I am a sunni but I really dont care if Humble is maliki, shai, or shafai or anything? All I am observing here is ""YOUR BAD MANNERS"">
~~FArooq~~
Thanks to all brothers and sisters for the feedback on this issue.
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Farooq sahab, I really dont know whats wrong with degas (urf nanga urf baykhatr)? I really dont understand why he hates me too much though all I did was post this artcile about Miracles of Islam! I guess he is jealous. May Allah have mercy on him and guide him.
May Allah bless us all in the sadqa of Mohammed (s.a.w.w.) and aale-mohammed (a.s)
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your bro,
Humble
I agree with Mr. Farooq here!
Humble..SALAAM...BEAUTIFUL PICTURE..
YAR... NARA-E-HAIDERI..YAA ALI....HUMBLE..I THINK YOU SHOULD REFER DEGAS TO SOME GOOD BOOKS LIKE NAIJUL BALAGA...SAYING OF ALI IMAM
AND THERE ARE OTHER GOOD BOOKS ON NET..MAY BE HE WILL HAVE SOME RESPECT FOR THE FAMILY OF HOLY PROPHET(PBUH)...GREAT HUMBLE...KHUDA AP KO HAMISHA KHUSH RAKHA....ALI MAULA..
DUM DUM ALI ALI
ZORR SA BOLO ALI ALI
HAR DAM ALI ALI
NARA E HAIDERI
YAA ALI...
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Just like you are not supposed to deny something until you have proof that its fake, you are not supposed to believe something unless you have proof that its genuine.
Regarding the trees spelling the Kalima in Germany, it is a concoction, made up for the purpose of inciting bida'at among muslims, which we are very prone to. I have read on just as many sites that the photo is a fake.
With regards to the moon, the moon rotates every night, so exactly what part of the name Ali do we get to see every night?
No disrespect meant to the great Hazrat Ali RA, but rather than shape our lives the way Hazrat Ali RA lived his life, we tend to resort to finding/praising his name, and more often than not, stop at that.
Prophet SAW, who was superior to every human being that ever will be on this earth, himself strongly discouraged the use of such 'coincidences', and in the Quran, Allah SWT does the same by saying that He has left minor signs for people, to see how people will react to them. Well, our reactions have a very wide range.
Lets not make a mockery out of Islam or the Prophets and Sahabas. We should shape our lives according to theirs, and stop personalizing everything, as if Islam is our personal property.
Akif,
u made a mistake here and soon u will get a mail saying "You need to grow up and this hate towards ahlebait and family of Prophet (s.a.w.w) will "NOT" do any good to you" and u would be stunned that how now agreeing to these signs could make u hatter of the whole prophet family.
Anyone who doesnt agree with these signs is termed as non-muslim. Our problem is that we r always trying to prove ourselves as better muslims tham others.
Janu,
thanks for the advice, may be u havent read my earlier posts in other articles here I have always regarded Hazrat Ali as my ideal personality and tried my best to follow him. But I dont see any logic in finding him in signs. he is in my heart. i have never termed any muslim brother as non-muslim and wont do that even someone has entirely opposite faith than I have since God only knows what is truth.
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Akif...there are mirical..mujaza's etc..how come you are saying that this is all fake..it seem you dont have any or no knowledge of islam att all...
I QUOTE YOU
We should shape our lives according to there's.well dear you are not beleving on such a small thing..how can you shape yourself according to there's...
I think you dont believe in ALLAH also,because this is not done by human beign,this is all allah ka kudrat..kia samjee
rest up to you...
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Mr. Degas,
I am not responding to any of your silly posts any more because I consider it a waste of my precious time to even reply back to your silly questions and comments.
As Mr. Farooq said,You have an attitude and temper problem, you are NOT worth my time.
Again the same shair for you. Dedicated just for you:
Yeh dhuan saa kahan sey uthta hay
(where is this smoke coming from)
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Mr. Akif,
First of all, you are supposed to be a moderator, but apparently it looks like you are taking Degas, Nanga, and Mr. Baykhatr’s side. I wonder whats going on there?
http://www3.pak.org/gupshup/smilies/smile.gif
A moderator’s role is to lessen the tension and so forth. Reading your posts, one can clearly see that you are trying to initiate an irrelevant debate.
A miracle (mojaza) is fact and nobody can deny it. It does not matter if you yell a million times and deny it, A miracle is still there.
I agree with only one point outta your post and thats about “following the character of Imam Ali (a.s)”.
Thanks.
Humble.
Humble..yar ...it is ok..no problem
Sure Janu Bro,
JazakAllah!
I have never taken anyones side on these forums and have never associated myself with anyone, and never will.
Being a moderator doesnt forbid me from believing in whats true and denying whats wrong.
I believe in miracles that are around us, that Allah SWT has provided us with. However, talking about this particular miracle of the trees, I'll go back to the same argument. People who believe in it have only seen it in pictures on the net. Howcome these photos were never to be seen before the advent of the internet? And on the same token, I have read it on numerous Islamic sites that this photo is a fake, so where does that leave us? In doubt of course. I dont need a bunch of trees to tell me that there is no God but Allah SWT.
Again, with the moon argument, there is a full moon for what, 4 days a month? Even if the moon were to sit still all month long, we would still not see the whole face of it.
Anyway, one word of humble advice to whoever might take it, me before anyone else....
Noone has the right to judge the status of Imaan in anyone....not you, not me, not anyone else, not even Prophet SAW, as was told to him by Allah SWT. So if people here start judging the level of Islam in others, or the level of Iman in others, based on their PERSONAL disagreements, it only further degrades the status of Islam in the eyes of onlookers. Expressing your opinion is one thing........judging someones Imaan is totally different, and noone on this earth has the right to do that..only Allah SWT. So if we can learn anything from it, we might end up being a bit more united than we are now. Because the last I heard, regardless of our extended beliefs, our basic beliefs are all the same. Whether one believes in Hazrat Ali RA as the fourth Caliph, or the first Imam is not my business. But if you cant benefit from his lifestyle, you are doing a disservice to him and yourself. your choice. But we have to learn to limit ourselves by keeping our responses limited to the topic at hand, and not stretch it to the personal lives of the members of this forum.
Mr. Akif,
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I agree, we should limit ourselves to the topic and not to the personal lives of members or their faith. Please convey this message to Degas, Nanga, and Baykhatr... Mr Akif Moderator.
I am still in correspondance with people reagrding the trees in Germany. If you dont wanna believe, then dont. Your faith is with you and ours is with us. I and all muslims firmly believe in existance of Miracles, the special powers given by Allah to his dear ones. As regards moon, there are atleast 65 of my very close friends (majority arab muslims from Jordan), that have confirmed the word "Ali" in arabic written on Moon.
One can see it with naked eye during the lunar month Mid. Nobody can deny such a wonderful Miracle of Allah's love towards Imam Ali (a.s).
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Humble
Humble.
Humble = Mr. Pakistani and A1shah
Degas = Nanga, Degas, Baykhatr
Now that we have 'proved' that humble and degas are using aliases ( I DON'T CARE ), this argument is becoming childish, with both of you taking turns attacking each other personally. If you want to do that, i suggest that the two of you should exchange email addresses and write to each other as much as you want. I don't think this forum is the right place for that crap the two of you are getting involved in.
i hope other people back me on this..
Mr nomaan sahab,
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Your accusation is a mere probability. I swear to my dear Allah, I dont even know Alishah or Allshah or Mr. Pakistani. I have no idea why are you accusing me like that. Please verify or check before you accuse someone like that. I think its clear to you. I am not and I repeat "NOT" using any alias because I am enough to handle the issues here. I dont need support from allshah or a11shah or Mr. or Ms. Pakistani. I guess its clear to you!
By the way, Your comments above are not at all related to the topic. If you have any comment related to the topic, then post it here, otherwise be quite.
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Humble
I am with you here bR. Humble. If anybody has a comment related to this topic, then he/she should post it, otherwise be silent.
~~farooq~~
humble.. i was joking ( about the aliases)… don’t take everything seriously
http://www3.pak.org/gupshup/smilies/smile.gif
and the point of posting if only relating topic, i think you guys should consider that as well..
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