The message of Mullah Omar to muslims.

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When Afghans were fighting against Soviots.. no one was bothered..

no one criticised them.

and then somehow, a little peace was maintained in Afghanistan thanks fo Taliban. Every one started Criticising them..

Its a open fact that, before the taliban Afghansitan was like a stray dog, ruled by bandits who rule the ppl due to power and arms.

and Decesions and polciies could go wrong. In Talibans case, they didnt get their policeis and strategies on the right course. they went far into extremism.

But still can you compere the other world with that situation.

With no Supplies, no support fromt he world, specially from the Muslim world. you were expecting the Talibans to do the right decesion.

Did anyone of the Islamic countries send Mujahadeens to chechnia to support them, no it was just Afghanistan who supported chechnian freedom fighters.

We should admitt that we are cowards, and bounded by our necessities, and we have fear developed in our hearts. But atleast appreciate a person who is not a coward, and fights in way of Allah.

Dont think "you can" know "you can"
.::. ﷲ ﻼﺃ ﷲﺃ ﻶ .::.

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Flamzz ur views for the Taliban are extrmest and this Islamic extremism cannot cope with the modern society.

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We have let the Taliban down. They were under severe sanctions, the Western, Hindu and Shiite media spread the most vicious and nastiest kind of lies they could about the Taliban, while we hardly did anything to counter that.

It is We, the westernized, English-educated, “Pant-Shirt” Muslims who have let the Taliban down.

Well, there are Arab volunteers, Turkish volunteers etc too.

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Originally posted by Khoon-e-Shaheed:
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Khoon do u have any info on the numbers of turkish mujahideen during Soviet jihad days.

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Originally posted by reza khan:
** Khoon do u have any info on the numbers of turkish mujahideen during Soviet jihad days.**
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No yaar. You may want to check Azzam.com for it. I was a little kid back then !

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Azzam i think hasnt got any info on them.

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Reza, these are Omars word when Voice of America got lucky one day to find him sitting next to the phone in one of the Taliban ministries. Bush told VoA not to publish this, but they did it anyway.

“I am considering two promises. One is the promise of God, the other is that of Bush. The promise of God is that my land is vast. If you start a journey on God’s path, you can reside anywhere on this earth and will be protected… The promise of Bush is that there is no place on earth where you can hide that I cannot find you. We will see which one of these two promises is fulfilled.”

“We are also concerned. Great issues lie ahead. But we depend on God’s mercy. Consider our point of view: if we give Osama away today, Muslims who are now pleading to give him up would then be reviling us for giving him up… Everyone is afraid of America and wants to please it. But Americans will not be able to prevent such acts like the one that has just occurred because America has taken Islam hostage. If you look at Islamic countries, the people are in despair. They are complaining that Islam is gone. But people remain firm in their Islamic beliefs. In their pain and frustration, some of them commit suicide acts. They feel they have nothing to lose.”

VOA: So you won’t give Osama bin Laden up?

Omar: No. We cannot do that. If we did, it means we are not Muslims… that Islam is finished. If we were afraid of attack, we could have surrendered him the last time we were threatened and attacked. So America can hit us again, and this time we don’t even have a friend.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/g2/story/0,3604,558076,00.html

He was and is right. He doesn’t need no one else, but Allah (swt). Since now America is claiming that he and Osama are still alive, then it is proof that their cause is just. Who else can survive a 15,000lbs bomb while getting away on a bike? He is the only man so far that I know that did.

Khoon-e-Shaheed, I have heard that more then once, It was just say of mouth when I said that ‘maybe because he is Pashtoon’. I didn’t mean it the way you took it. I know Karzai is a Pashtoon, but compare the percentage of such Pashtoons to other Muslim nationalities; it is close to none if not zero. You are right on the Islam part, but give credit where it belongs. I don’t think anyone has the right to take it away from these people. Kashmir, Chechnia, Tajikistan, Uzbekistan, and Kazakistan, they all went sent their children as young as 10 year olds carelessly. I only wish that there were some means for them to get to Palestine. I know for a fact that many regret this each single moment of their lives.

And since you say that it is because of Islam, then I think it is a shame for every other Muslim for the fact that Allah (swt) only considered them worthy of such Islamic ghaira (ghairaat).

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As you all seem to know Mullah Omar very well, do you know when he will be coming out of his hiding?!

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[quote]
Originally posted by reza khan:
Flamzz ur views for the Taliban are extrmest and this Islamic extremism cannot cope with the modern society.
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Assalam-o-alikum

Reza..

Would u define modern Society ?

a soicety based on materialism, full of lust of power , money ?

a society where moral values, and ethics are of no importnce, a man is judged by the status, and money.

a society of cowards, where every one is busy in earning money, getting stuff for personal satisfaction and ease

a society where Ppl have 4gotten the message of Allah, and following the satans protocol

well if you are talking about this modern society, which offcourse is to which every one points.

Im sorry to say that Islam dosnt point out this modernism anywhere.

Its us coward Muslims, who are part of this modern society, who think that implementing Islam is Difficult, and call those Muslims extremist who have Implemented soemthing in their lifes from Islam ( although they might not have atdapted the true Islamic practice)..

what do u say ?

Dont think "you can" know "you can"
.::. ﷲ ﻼﺃ ﷲﺃ ﻶ .::.

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I did mention that I appreciate the Pashtoons for their devotion to Islam.

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[quote]
Originally posted by FlameZz:
** Assalam-o-alikum

Reza..

Would u define modern Society ?

a soicety based on materialism, full of lust of power , money ?

a society where moral values, and ethics are of no importnce, a man is judged by the status, and money.

a society of cowards, where every one is busy in earning money, getting stuff for personal satisfaction and ease

a society where Ppl have 4gotten the message of Allah, and following the satans protocol

well if you are talking about this modern society, which offcourse is to which every one points.

Im sorry to say that Islam dosnt point out this modernism anywhere.

Its us coward Muslims, who are part of this modern society, who think that implementing Islam is Difficult, and call those Muslims extremist who have Implemented soemthing in their lifes from Islam ( although they might not have atdapted the true Islamic practice)..

what do u say ?

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Exactly the same.

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Originally posted by ahmadjee:
As you all seem to know Mullah Omar very well, do you know when he will be coming out of his hiding?!
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After we Muslims stop acting like cowards, and give just a moral support to Talibans , even not Implementing Islam.

Dont think "you can" know "you can"
.::. ﷲ ﻼﺃ ﷲﺃ ﻶ .::.

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FlameZz, Thank you for your response but that doesn't asnwer my question.

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Ahmad , I dont know when he is comming out of his hideout.

but i would like to know, why you want him to come out ?

Dont think "you can" know "you can"
.::. ﷲ ﻼﺃ ﷲﺃ ﻶ .::.

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Originally posted by FlameZz:
but i would like to know, why you want him to come out ?

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I would like him to come out and fight for the things he says he believes in! So, maybe those who have passed a judgment on his 'righteousness' can justify it more properly.

And while people are answering the first question, especially those who consider him their spiritual leader; would you guys please explain your understanding of the so-called Northern Alliance and maybe a line or two on Ahmad Shah Masood.

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[quote]
Originally posted by ahmadjee:
As you all seem to know Mullah Omar very well, do you know when he will be coming out of his hiding?!
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I bet you would have said the same thing to Prophet (PBUH) when he took shelter with Christians when his and the lives of his family members were threatened.

Buddy, Islam alloweds you to lie if your life is in danger, hiding is nothing. I’m sure, if bombs were dropping on your head, you would be stand on the x mark like superman.

Hypocrites, even the Quran speaks greatly of such people. Its damn if you do, and damn if you don’t.

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Originally posted by ~Mickey~:
** I bet you would have said the same thing to Prophet (PBUH) when he took shelter with Christians when his and the lives of his family members were threatened.
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I guess Mullah Omar was also ordered through revelation by Allah to migrate right?

Secondly, can you tell me where Islam says its ok to lie if you life is in danger? On second thought I will open another thread for that one!

So, you don't know when he is coming out of the hiding or do you?

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[quote]
Originally posted by ahmadjee:
** I guess Mullah Omar was also ordered through revelation by Allah to migrate right?

Secondly, can you tell me where Islam says its ok to lie if you life is in danger? On second thought I will open another thread for that one!

So, you don't know when he is coming out of the hiding or do you?**
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mr ahmad jee a man ,a person who didnt fear in the way of Allah to fight for his homeland against the soviets ...huhhh u think he'll back offf now..
dont forget the soviets declared war on afghans which means "no mercy". he lost an eye and limps on a leg cuz of the mine injury he had..
and mickey ur very right...answer her question 1st and than ask flames for the answer ..
did a single muslim lose his son ,his eye,his leg ,his friends in a war did a muslim leader ever picked up guns against thr enemy ..they all sit back and made plans..omer fought the war himself..

khoone shaheed is right we let taliban down..they need our prayers.may Allah subhana watha Alla succeed them in achiewing thr goals ameen.

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fakeer,

Other than the sermon on his bravery, if you had some info. on when he is getting out of his hideout then that would answered my question.

Why is it so hard to accept that you don't know where he is, don't know when or if he will come back, don't even know if he is alive, though you still like him because he is pustoon?

And here is the other question that I asked:

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And while people are answering the first question, especially those who consider him their spiritual leader; would you guys please explain your understanding of the so-called Northern Alliance and maybe a line or two on Ahmad Shah Masood.
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Please save me from another sermon on how holy is he! Ask a Saddam supporter about Saddam & he will put your words to shame describing the glories of his leader too!

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I guess Mullah Omar was also ordered through revelation by Allah to migrate right?

Why, couldn’t Allah (swt) protect His messenger Himself that He needed a non-believer to protect His Message?

Secondly, can you tell me where Islam says its ok to lie if you life is in danger? On second thought I will open another thread for that one!

There is a Hadees of Ali (RA), you should know that Mr. Knowitall Muslim. It’s a famous one.

So, you don't know when he is coming out of the hiding or do you?

Your question is ridiculous; it’s like me asking you when are you going to go protect your Muslim sisters in Kashmir and Palestine?

My friend, leave this absurd idea behind which you are holding your ground, its pathetic since you have nothing else against the man.

*Other than the sermon on his bravery, if you had some info. on when he is getting out of his hideout then that would answered my question. *

I can sit her all day long and tell you about his bravery, and his accomplishments, and the difference between people like you and him, but whats the point? You are an Ahmedi, you won’t get it even if the sun and moon came down from the heavens and sat next to you and elaborated the entire ordeal. No disrespect to your belief though.

The fact is, that people like don’t believe but you say you do. Its doubts, doubts and doubts my friend.

Why is it so hard to accept that you don't know where he is, don't know when or if he will come back, don't even know if he is alive, though you still like him because he is pustoon?

Why should we know where he is and how he is when no one knew who he was, what he was when he was fighting Jihad against the Soviets, the enemies of all religions?

Ask a Saddam supporter about Saddam & he will put your words to shame describing the glories of his leader too!

Now I think you are way-exaggerating buddy, you can compare Arafat, Musharif, the Saudi family, and all other Arab/non-Arab leaders to Saddam but you can’t compare his holiness ( Mullah Omar, Amir-ul-Momeenin :) ) to him. Tell me, did Saddam ever give his son, his eye, his leg, father, uncle for Islam?

Many of your modern Islamic countries leaders will kill their own flesh and blood just to stay in power, but this man, is an example for all of them.

And, a Pashtoon always loves a Pashtoon even if he is his worst enemy; it’s just the way it is. Though creatures like you will never understand that, just like many couldn’t understand that this stupid Mullah for giving up his entire government just for the sake Osama bin laden from Arabia. :)