The Memo Politics and Zardari's Answer

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http://www.geo.tv/11-21-2011/89072.htm
James Jones delivers Ijaz memo to Mullen
ISLAMABAD:** The identity of the intermediary between Pakistani-American businessman Mansoor Ijaz and Admiral Mike Mullen is no longer a mystery. James Logan Jones, former United States National Security Advisor and a retired US Marine Corps General, confirmed to The News Sunday night that he had received the memo from Mansoor Ijaz and delivered it to Mullen.

General Jones confirmed his role as conduit to this correspondent via email but wanted to make it clear he was not a serving government official or associated with the United States administration in any way when he passed on the memo from Ijaz to Mullen. “I was not in government on May 10 when I forwarded the message to Admiral Mullen on 10 May,” General Jones said.

After this correspondent received information from trusted sources that General Jones was the intermediary between Ijaz and Mullen, he was approached, via email, and asked to confirm or deny. General Jones’ reply said: “Dear Ms Zahra-Malik, No secret here. Have confirmed my role as conduit with FT (The Financial Times) four days ago. I was not in government on May 10 when I forwarded the message to Admiral Mullen on 10 May. Cheers, Jim Jones.”
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General Jones has served as Commander, United States European Command and Supreme Allied Commander Europe from 2003 to 2006 and as the 32nd Commandant of the Marine Corps from July 1999 to January 2003. Jones retired from the Marine Corps on February 1, 2007, after 40 years of service. He later served as the US National Security Advisor from January 2009 till November 2010.

With the confirmation from General Jones, one of the last links in the memo authenticity-chain now stands confirmed. Now the only remaining missing link in the puzzle relates to the principal agent: did Ambassador Haqqani draft the memo with the authorisation of President Asif Ali Zardari, as alleged by Mansoor Ijaz and is being used by the president as a scapegoat now that the plot has been revealed, or was the ambassador, as is being suggested, the mastermind behind the plot to rein in the Pakistani security establishment?

Haqqani has arrived in Islamabad to explain his role, if any, in conceptualising, writing and passing on the memo to the US administration. The envoy has reportedly already held two informal meetings with the president and is now expected to ‘explain’ his alleged role in the memo case in a closed door meeting with the president, prime minister, army chief and DG ISI.

In the days ahead, it is expected that the last link in the chain will be revealed: did the President of Pakistan, the supreme commander of Pakistan’s armed forces and the symbol of the federation, authorise the writing of the memo? If the treasonous memo is traced back to President Zardari, it will raise serious constitutional questions about his competence to remain president and further exacerbate the country’s menacing civil-military imbalance.

The News has already published the document at the heart of the memo controversy: a six-point plan offering to reshape Pakistan’s national security leadership in return for US help in avoiding a military coup. The memo was delivered to Admiral Mullen by, as confirmed by The News, General Jim Jones just nine days after the killing of Osama bin Laden and requests Mullen’s help in ending Army Chief General Ashfaq Kayani’s and Director General ISI, Lt Gen Ahmed Shuja Pasha’s “brinkmanship aimed at bringing down the civilian apparatus.”

The News has confirmed that after news of the memo first surfaced in an op-ed written by Ijaz in London’s Financial Times on October 10, it was decided at the highest level of the military leadership that the initial investigation would be carried out by spy chief General Pasha himself. Mansoor Ijaz subsequently met General Pasha in London on October 22 and shared with him a cache of evidence, including full records of phone calls, SMS messages, BBM chat exchanges, emails and other data.

General Pasha briefed General Kayani about the matter only after the authenticity of Ijaz’s evidence was verified. The army chief subsequently met with President Zardari twice and asked him to act against Haqqani and at least two other federal ministers, both close aides to the president, who allegedly assisted Haqqani in his efforts to slander their institution. The army chief’s meetings with President Zardari followed led to the summoning of Ambassador Haqqani to Islamabad.

As things stand now, the ambassador’s job and the president’s government hang in the balance. Both have much to account for: a memo that includes not just a direct acknowledgment that the current security establishment is in cahoots with terrorist outfits but also asks for direct intervention from the US to set things ‘right.’ There are questions to answer and answer the government must.](Geo News: Latest News Breaking, Live Videos, World, Entertainment, Royal)

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Nawaz Sharif is trying to get political mileage out of this scandal, it needs to be seen if he can get something out of it or not. According to the latest statement of Ijaz the President was unaware of the memo…

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So Pasha sahib have told him to spare the president and like Ahmed Mukhtar said yesterday, PM can be penalized… so do do bakray](“http://tribune.com.pk/story/295132/memogate-adamant-ambassador-set-to-face-troika/”)

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^ the flying shyt is fast turning towards gilani, lolz and USA is also pushing it... i wonder whats happening, because americans coming out to accept the truth so easily? how cute : D also looks like a "DoS attack" if you know what i mean??? a huge back log of issues/news/confessions/favors to flood everyone to either prepare or execute the next big thing! who knows what

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The situation is so confusing kay mera sir chakra gaya hay

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Don't tell me this is some other plot of the evil Genius sitting in Presidential palace? Now that he have made all the money for the last year, he will fire the PM for his inability to perform and bring on some "honest man", hence there would be no load-shedding and things will gradually improve with the rant going on, Gillani did all the wrongs and new guy is trying to make it right!!

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well seriously this could be a saazish against the president as well, after all it could be the ISI using Mansoor Ijaz to send the letter (without the consent of the president)...there are so many possibilities, we will have to find out from the various theories and stories coming out related to the issue...

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Let see "PaRda-e-Ghaib" say kiya zahoor maiN ata hay....

Any news of Altaf Hussain or Fazal ur Rehman on this issue???

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Why blame establishment on everything.. why can't Zardari resign, make all his party members resign from the parliament, go to public and let them know the real face of establishment. Zardari/Nawaz Sharif had a golden opportunity to curb the establishment when Musharraf was weak. Why did they negotiate NRO/deal with the establishment to come to power. Why Zardari needed to send the memo to Americans.. where are Pakistani people in all this equation. If Nawaz Sharif and Zardari suspect a dirty role of the establishment.. both of them should resign and tell the truth to the people of Pakistan. Why do they keep giving extensions to army/ISI chief and still try to be establishment slaves.

The best these clowns can do is cry foul play by the establishment when they are out of power..

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^ i agree you completely :) all the governments that have been formed in this country including the current one has the blessing of establishment in one form or the other...

if both parties had worked hard for the public, they wouldnt have been as scared as they are now...

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not really, i'm not saying that. i'm pointing to something else who may have start the DoS Attack, for something bigger being planned or started to execute or whatever. occupy everyone too much to think of anything else, nothing about corruption or inflation and stuff, that is to small an issue for anyone to think about, they don't care.

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long march league is threatening long march over the memo issue...maybe they are now trying to please the establishment, and trying to show them that they are with them...

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^ its not only about so called establishment by the way. the permission to operate in Pakistan, and the agreement to make nukes "acceptable" and all related stuff is a national issue, not only army related issue.

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No one knows about the matter yet, it's only speculations as to what really happened and what role concerned parties played.

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^ the so called memo has been floating around for sometime now, its not speculation anymore, it has been confirmed from different sources

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Is anything left in this year to knew the real face .
Every one knows the truth .
*Ab to Gaon kay dehati bhi such samajhtay hain.
Zardari say bhi buray tak main hain.
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**Memo is a reality and there was a conspiracy against the army and national security: Kayani

ISLAMABAD: Chief of Army Staff (COAS) in his reply to the Supreme Court stated that the memo was a reality and a conspiracy was being hatched against the army and national security, Geo News reported.

**In the reply General Kayani writes that the Financial Times published Mansoor Ijaz’s story about the memo on October 10.

COAS Kayani was informed about DG ISI General Pasha’s meeting with Mansoor Ijaz on October 24 and Pasha was of the opinion that there was enough evidence to validate the authenticity of the memo.

The DG ISI said there was evidence which illustrated that Ijaz was in touch with Hussain Haqqani between May 9-11 and that they exchanged text messages and phone calls.

Kayani says on October 28 the spokesperson for the Foreign Ministry and Presidency denied the memo in separate statements.

Admiral Mike Mullen through his spokesperson first denied receiving the memo on November 8 but a few days later confirmed its receipt.

The reply goes on to state that on November 13, during a meeting with Prime Minister Gilani, I (Kayani) advised that those points of the memo which were leaked were very sensitive and that a decision had to be made on its being real or not.

According to the reply Kayani strongly insisted that the Prime Minister summon Haqqani so he can brief the country’s leadership about this matter.

Kayani told the prime minister that time was limited and the sooner we found out the facts the better it would be.

On November 15, Kayani said he was called by the President for a meeting and met him at two in the afternoon.

According to Kayani the prime minister had already informed the president about his recommendations. President Zardari informed Kayani that the decision to summon Haqqani had already been made.

On November 21, US General James Jones confirmed that he had taken the memo to Mullen.

Kayani said that he was part of a meeting which also included the prime minister, president and DG ISI on November 22.

It was during this meeting that Haqqani briefed all of them and Prime Minister Gilani asked for Haqqani’s resignation and ordered an investigation.

Towards the end Kayani writes that there was enough evidence validating the memo and there should be full review to evaluate the circumstance and facts behind it.

General Kayani said that the memo tried to decrease the morale of the Pakistan Army but was unsuccessful in doing so.

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This is what the government says:

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ISLAMABAD: **Federal government in its reply to the Supreme Court in the memo case challenged SC that it was not competent to hear the case, Geo News reported on Thursday.
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I don't trust the words of General kiyani & same is true of Pasha. Both of them should be sacked just like Hussain Haqqani.

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As per govt. SC is not competent to hear any case against PPP leadership or against any govt led by them…

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Step taken to silence rumour mills

**Baqir Sajjad Syed | Front Page |](http://www.dawn.com/category/today-front-page)From the Newspaper

****ISLAMABAD: Prime Minister Syed Yousuf Raza Gilani and Army Chief Gen Ashfaq Parvez Kayani met on Friday to dispel the impression of a confrontation between the military and civilian leaders over the memo case.

****Mr Gilani and Gen Kayani, according to a statement issued by the Prime Minister’s Office after the meeting that lasted for a couple of hours, agreed that the replies submit-ted with the Supreme Court should not be misconstrued as “a standoff between the army and the government”.

**The meeting took place after Mr Gilani addressed a meeting of PPP parliamentarians in which he termed the memo scandal a conspiracy against his government and democracy.
**The replies filed by the federation, army chief Gen Ashfaq Parvez Kayani and ISI head Lt Gen Shuja Pasha to the nine petitions in the Supreme Court gave the impression of a widening chasm between the civilian government and the military.

****While the federation sought dismissal of the petitions on the ground that the issue did not fall in the jurisdiction of the Supreme Court, the army chief and the spymaster pressed for probe by the Supreme Court-appointed body.

**Also important to note in the media statement was that “the prime minister and the army chief underscored the significance of national unity to address the challenges faced by the nation”.

The prime minister, it further said, reiterated that the government and its institutions remained committed to their constitutional roles and obligations to a democratic and prosperous future for Pakistan.

http://www.dawn.com/2011/12/17/step-taken-to-silence-rumour-mills.html