"The line of control could fall like the Berlin Wall"

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So, Haris, Once you cannot answer my questions, it is correct on your part to declare them bogus…….No comments, after all you are a moderator!

Next….your objection to illegal birth rate! Pick up photographs of Bangadesh (east-Pakistan migrants) many women you will find pregnant while crossing over to India. Our soldiers must be very smart that they take all precautionary measures, but somehow your official media has all data.

India bars UN….I do not know the exact news and reasons. But in the last assembly elections many of world media entered Kashmir for coverage, your Govt never told you.

PS, You ran towards Reza and Homer for rescue,….I feel pity for you, dear moderator!

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No mention of the Pandits in the joint declaration signed by the two leaders, or any public statement of any sort mentioning them by your PM. Not much of an issue at all for India, if they don’t want to even talk about them?

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Yup…well said.

But there is something to be said for the families meeting after 57 years etc…tiny but good

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only Bjp will stand up for rights of Pandits in Kashmir while the congress ignores them.

BJP for Kashmiri migrants’
involvement in peace dialogue
KT NEWS SERVICE
JAMMU, Apr 19: A meeting of the BJP, Kashmir Province, under the chairmanship of its president Kashmir unit, Sofi Yousuf, was convened today at Jammu to take stock of the political situation arising out of the recent visit of Pakistan president, General Parvez Musharraf to India.
While taking into consideration the deliberations which went on during his visit and as were telecast it seems that the two countries are willing eagerly to settle their disputes including Kashmir.
Sofi, while addressing the meeting, said that President Musharraf shown concern to meet APHC leaders and invited them to Pakistan in this direction but called the situation ugly because in the deliberation the Kashmiri Pandit community, the political leaders and Kashmiri migrants were not involved.
Sofi felt that without the participation of Kashmiri Pandits, migrant community and political leaders, the peace process, which is going on, is incomplete. It would be a heinous crime on the part of the politicians of both the countries to ignore this sect," sofi maintained.
He made it clear that the government of India and that of Pakistan should rethink again and again in a manner that no community is ignored at this stage in participation in such peace deliberations.
He said that such acts in the past are responsible for present situation and governments should not make any mistake this time.
Meanwhile, Sofi said that BJP shall be taking active part in the forthcoming Panchayat Elections and shall fight on majority number of seats this time and assured a major win.

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i cant help but smile anjjan...now sharing views with someone is running for rescue and making you feel pity... nice way to carry on arguments that clearly go against you. and i've been saying all along, bring me proof and solid reason, dont fire your arrows in the air. plus, you dont have to remind me who i am, i know, and rest assured i dont take any undue advanatges out of that. i too can discuss things like all members and share my views.

the issue with Kashmir is an issue. accept it or deny it. and lets not dig the Bangladesh ghost here, your side was no angel too. and amazing proof you have with few pictures of carrying women...i recall a number of pictures, that i might post if i find them again, from the partition time of ppl crossing the border on both sides, many women were pregnant then too. should i start blamaing Sikhs or the Brits and call them illegitimate pregnancies...?

for the Brahmins of Kasmir, not Hindus, as you seem to be concerned about the Hindu Pandits of Kashmir only (or is it that hindus in kashmir are only brahmins?), why not accept the blunder that the whole situation created by Nehru's design with Cripps, Mountbatten and the Kasmir ruler as a great evil act...? if it's such a problem for the brahmins, perhaps as you make it sound, greater problem than for the Kashmiri Muslims, enlighten us on what you think the problem is in the first place ...? better yet, write an article onit and post it on Gupzine! that'll get your cause enough exposure, if it is paid any heed in the first place that is. what you are saying is even more absurd than saying that any problems faced by israelis are graver than the Palestinians face everyday because of Israel...or perhaps saying that the problems in Iraq are such a problem for the US...who have to kill Iraqis everyday, for oil, oh what strain...

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Has the BJP ever brought up the Pandits with Pakistan?

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Anjjan,

  1. You are asking for No of Muslim migrated from Kashmir, Yes there were migrants from Indian Occupied Kashmir to Azad Kashmir and for your info if you read the reports from United Nation it does mention about refugees who flee from Indian occupied Kashmir to Azad Kashmir. In 2001 the Report says that there were more then 25000 Refugees in Azad Kashmir and these Nos are refugees from 1991 to 2001. As before that Pakistan was giving them Nationality and the No are not confirmed you can verify these Nos from USCR 2002 Report.

About the Mass birth rate, after rape. There I would say that Indian Army improved a lot they were doing it with Mukti Bahni in Bangladesh and were got known for it, now they found another way Rape and kill which is very simple to do. Are you forgetting the world famous BBC reports about it…

  1. Ethnic Hindu Kashmiris left for two reasons and one of them was your famous Army who got additional job to rape women, Yes they left Kashmir not because of Jihadis but because of the Occuping Army which they thought will protect them but soon realise that they were wrong. That do not include the people who were working for Army and left to save their skin after they fear that, what they had done were afraid of local people who turn against them.

  2. The Kashmir Bandh call is given by the people to bring their Voice to the world, and 75% of the time Kashmir is Bandh because of Curfew imposed by your Army.

Have a look at facts, not the reports published by New Delhi.

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Let us study what USCR report says……..

http://www.refugees.org/countryreports.aspx?id=483

Displacement from Kashmir : As many as 350,000 Kashmiris, mostly Hindu Pandits, have been displaced since 1990 as a result of long-standing conflict in Kashmir between the Indian armed forces and separatists among the majority Muslim community. According to the Kashmir Times, continuing violence in Kashmir led to the deaths of more than 900 civilians in 2001.

Some 250,000 displaced Kashmiris are living in or near the city of Jammu, both in private homes and in nine camps for the displaced in Jammu District. As many as 100,000 Kashmiris are displaced elsewhere in India, primarily in the New Delhi area.

The Indian government provides cash assistance and food aid to many of the displaced Pandits. Former government workers continue to receive full salaries or retirement benefits.

http://www.refugees.org/countryreports.aspx?id=512

Kashmiris : Pakistan continued to host about 17,000 refugees from the region of Kashmir that is part of India, some of whom have been in Pakistan since 1947. The refugees live in 17 camps in the region of Pakistani-controlled Kashmir known as Azad and Jammu Kashmir, where the local authorities assist them.

In addition to the refugees, about 2,000 Kashmiris are internally displaced in Pakistan. Most were displaced in the late 1990s from areas under Pakistan control. A majority of the displaced live in one of two camps for displaced people in Azad and Jammu Kashmir, while the remainder live in a makeshift camp in the Northern Territories. An unknown number of other Kashmiris are also internally displaced, but because they live with relatives and friends, they are not readily identifiable. Because the Pakistani authorities want the displaced to return to their villages along the frontier to reinforce Pakistan’s claim to that area, the government does not provide the displaced the same level of assistance that they provide the refugees from India. The International Committee of the Red Cross assists the displaced.

Since the late 1980s, the Indian armed forces in Kashmir have fought Kashmiri Muslim insurgents—allegedly supported by Pakistan—who seek either union with Pakistan or an independent Kashmir. On occasion, the conflict, whose origins lie in the 1947 partition of India, pits India and Pakistan, now both nuclear powers, directly against one another.

Tensions between Pakistan and India increased in late 2001 when a suicide bomber killed about 40 people in the building housing the legislature of the Indian state of Jammu and Kashmir on October 1. India demanded that Pakistan detain members of a group that the Indian authorities blamed for the attack, while Pakistan warned India not to send troops into Pakistani territory to pursue the alleged culprits. Tensions escalated significantly when another suicide bomber mounted an attack on the Indian Parliament on December 13. Pakistan and India massed more than 800,000 troops along the border. According to Agence France Presse, 26,000 people fled the area due to skirmishes and shelling near the border, but it was not clear whether they remained displaced at year’s end.

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No real mention of why these Pandits left their homes. Cowardice?

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do you think the pandits left kashmir of their own choice? They were terrorised by pak-sponsored jihadi terrorists.

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:)

Kashmiri Hindus criticise Indo-Pak peace process

Staff Report

NEW DELHI: Panun Kashmir, an organisation of displaced Kashmiri Hindus, has warned that the “flawed” peace process with Pakistan could push India towards a “second partition”. *The organisation also accused Prime Minister Manmohan Singh’s government of “giving Pakistan equal status to decide the future of Jammu and Kashmir”. *“It is being said that the Srinagar-Muzaffarabad bus service will develop into a cascade of peace. But we feel it can only be a prelude to India’s accepting and facilitating the creation of a porous border on its northern borders,” Chairman of Panun Kashmir Ajay Chrangu told reporters here.

Alleging that “many things” were being hidden from the people by the government, he demanded that the centre “make public the framework of understanding reached with Pakistan of which opening the Srinagar-Muzaffarabad road is only a part.” Warning that the confidence building measures may be used by Pakistan to promote its “partisan interests” in Kashmir, Chrangu said, “These could prove self-destructive and lead to the second partition of India. In fact, the government already seems to be on its way to accept this.” Chrangu criticised the government for not taking “marginalised” communities like Hindus, Sikhs and Buddhists into confidence before starting the peace process with Pakistan.

“Pakistani leaders including President Pervez Musharraf, always talk to the Kashmiri Muslim leadership including the Hurriyat Conference. But the marginalised Hindus, Sikhs and Buddhists are not consulted by the Indian government,” Chrangu said. Meanwhile, Bharatiya Janata Party’s Kashmir unit has demanded the involvement of people of Jammu and Ladakh in the resolution of the Kashmir issue.

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India’s stance on LoC unchanged: Natwar

NEW DELHI: Indian External Affairs Minister Natwar Singh has said his country’s position on the Line of Control (LoC) remained unchanged and there is no proposal to make it a permanent border. Replying to a query in the Lok Sabha (Lower House of parliament), Natwar said there was no proposal to make the LoC a permanent border. He said India’s stand on the LoC taken at the 1972 Simla summit had not changed. “In 1972, Indira Gandhi and Zulfikar Ali Bhutto met at Simla and India stated its stand on LOC,” Natwar said and added “The LoC is to be respected… Our government’s stand has not changed.” The minister expressed confidence that the Indo-Pak Joint Commission, which had not met since 1989, and the Joint Business Council would meet at a “very early” date. Earlier, responding to a supplementary, Minister of State for External Affairs E Ahamed said the issue of granting Most Favoured Nation (MFN) status to India had been taken up with Pakistan time and again, and also during Gen Musharraf’s visit to New Delhi recently. The issue would be taken up in future, he said.

He also indicated that the visas to Pakistanis visiting India could become country-specific if the relations between the two countries further improved. Replying to a question by a member who had asked whether the visas for Pakistanis, now city-specific, could become country-specific, he said in Lok Sabha that it could be possible. “The environment is very good… President Pervez Musharraf has not said a word during the Jakarta summit to which India can object… If the friendship between the two countries further increases, tension will be reduced… And what you are saying can also happen,” Natwar said. “Let us all hope our two countries and people come closer,” Speaker Somnath Chatterjee remarked. Meanwhile, Indian Defence Minister Pranab Mukherjee on Wednesday said there was no proposal with the Indian government for construction of another tier of fence along the Line of Control (LoC) in held Kashmir.

During the question hour in the Rajya Sabha (Upper House of parliament), the minister said the construction of 734-km of fence along the LoC had been completed in September last year at an expenditure of Rs 3.15 billion. Mukherjee also said the Kelkar Committee report submitted on April 5 had recommended changes in defence acquisition and procurement process and the recommendations were under consideration. Replying to a question, he said 767 obsolete Vijayanta tanks had been offered for disposal through e-auction by the Metal and Scrap Trading Corporation, adding that these tanks would be stripped of guns, communication and surveillance equipment.