Re: The Last Moments of Zulfikar Ali Bhutto
Yeah FG, I am sure he gave you the tip all the way to prove that it was nice and round, however, Mr. bhutto was very fond of his wine and illegal power , maybe you have forgotten that he actually lost the election and then prolaimed this famous sentence "VahaN tuM, YehaN hum".
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While his death was injustice, ZAB(democracy darling) should have accepted his defeat in 1970's election.
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Kaleem, so all drinking muslims don't deserve a namaz-e-janaza?
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FG, did he repent for his mistakes, not to mention he was involved in the plot for mureder of several of his political opponents. You tell me, does the murderer deserve sympathy and namaz-e-janaza?
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Dude, I am talking about a dead body. He kinda sorta paid for all his sins by getting hanged mysteriously.
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I’m an staunch opponent of people like Bhutto, but praying namaz-e-janaza doesn’t mean his sins will automatically be forgiven. His family/followers should’ve been allowed to pray namaaz-e-janaza (if not done) for him and let God be The Judge.
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Did he really? It was no mystery. It was all over the news the next day. Yes, even in Pakistan all newspapers carried this story. How exactly did he pay for his sins?
I dont want to argue about something that happened 26 years ago, if you want we can offer a ghaiban namaz-e-janaza...what do you say? I wonder if it can be done via VOIP/netmeeting?
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This one takes the cake. You are using Zia-run newspapers for reference. I am done talking with you on this.
inna lillah wa inna ileyhi rajioon
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I don’t think his death has really paid for his sins, it’ll be Allah giving the punishment for that.
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apart from books written on the topic, which are either tilted one way or the other most of the time, a passive analysis of Bhutto's case discussed in his book "But I wasnt an Indian Spy" by Maj Retd Mohd Akram Khan is a good neutral read.
Thanks for sharing this Dope, a good read.
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FG, I am talking about news, papers were run by zia or not it was reported that he was hung…so what is your beef? Yeah, go ahead and offer namaz-e-janaza for someone who divided your country, introduced terror and real killers into provincial and national assemblies and perched the most cruel of them all in Governor House Lahore. Do you know how many girls were kidnapped and raped in that Governor house when this little pithu of your so called leader was in charge? Now we are done talking.
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^two wrongs?
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and not forget what happened in the then East Pakistan. But then Zia had his own problems, the way he handled Afghan refugee issue, created MQM to counter JI and handed them weapons, all these leaders should’ve been shot in the eye, cut one ear and left to live with stray dogs.
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While I agree with a lot of what ZAB was accused of after 1972 (allowing the killing of political opponents etc)..there is a simple question to ask anyone when they bring up East Pakistan..how many divisions did ZAB command in the Army?
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“wahan tum yahan hum” ?
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captain was that said as a military order?..he was self centred and had an inflated ego..but anyone who knows anything about a Fauji government knows what they think of civilians when in power.. so why would they take orders from a civilian?
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All these leaders, especially Pakistani leaders should remember this ayah
ويبقى وجه ربك ذو الجلال والاكرام
There remains but the Countenance of thy Lord of Might and Glory
For all those who want to govern after 2007 or for thirty years or a lifetime should take note.
Re: The Last Moments of Zulfikar Ali Bhutto
Killing someone for greed, anger, personal revenge and such if not repented for in time, to my knowledge excludes some from Islam...
But so does not praying 5 days in a row...
It's with Allah to decide...
All I know, his ingenious foregin policies rocked the world but his internal politics caused much strife...But probably that was due to his attentions focused upon foreign policies including the making of Pakistan's Nuclear capability...
I believe he might have been a powerful asset to the Muslims, despite his mod-Muslimness...
I don't hold the same view about Mush Qalandar...
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The biggest crime ZAB committed was to appoint that incompetent, nicompoop, moron Zia as Army chief and he paid the price for it.