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[Captain1]

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@mercenary2k

I think we should re-join India

With Indian batsmen and Pakistani bowlers

We would be unbeatable in cricket

yeah, just for sake of cricket we should forget the very basis of the nations/countries, you made Quaide Azam and millions of people died in the transition very proud :k:

[Faisal]

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It seemed like a tongue-in-cheek comment. Its difficult to have a sense of humor at this time, but at least try, guys!

I talked to my brother in Pakistan last night, and it seemed like people over there are really in mourning. The whole thing is so sad that in fact, Bob's death has put things in perspective for a lot of people, and now the loss to Ireland doesn't look like that big a deal, compared to matters of life and death. And by the way, don't get me started on the rumors going on the streets in Pakistan about how the match was fixed and Woolmer only found out about it after the game. Makes you want to scream!

[muali]

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@ashtray

What I find class less is that you take one comment from someone and generalize it derrogate a whole nation.

Remember that for some people “National Pride” is above anything else, yes even life. .

Agree with u … but…then u said

@ashtray

I am shocked and sad by Bob’s death so I will not post my comments on how I feel he failed as a coach, some other time though.

*^^huh… yup thats right always blame others cuz we pakistanis are perfect Human beings in every department… Right my friend??? *

[theinsider]

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@Sir_Dig_A_Lot

Pakistanis as a nation have very little class left in them, thanks to our deterioriating educational (cultural, not likhai parhai) standards. I am sure they'll find plenty of two bit pedestrians to make comments on national tv that will cause huge embarrassment to all of us. Already some guppies have been posting heartless insensitive comments on his death here. The man gave his life to Pakistan cricket, and like SalmanNY said, never said anything bad about Pakistan or Pakistan team even when we made him go through crises he didn't deserve (OVal) and destroyed his reputation as a coach. The least we can do now is act sensitively at such a sad time and avoid speculating about suicides and any such thing.

You are 110% correct

[ashtray]

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@muali

Agree with u … but…then u said

*^^huh… yup thats right always blame others cuz we pakistanis are perfect Human beings in every department… Right my friend??? *

muali, i will explain what I said and answer your query as well, but later. This is not the right time. I am shocked and sad at Woolmer’s death, he was a good coach and a great man, but that does not mean that he could do no wrong. This is not the time.

[ehsan]

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@GoldenAsif

Team killed Woolmer, says Imran
LAHORE: The Pakistan cricket team is responsible for the death of coach Bob Woolmer, politician and former team captain Imran Khan says. “Whatever the general public in Pakistan says, the fact is that Bob was not responsible for Pakistan’s defeat or any other loss that the team has faced because the coach’s job is simply to teach and instruct,” said Khan, according to the Daily News and Analysis (DNA) website. After the team’s loss to Ireland, a huge crowd had gathered in front of Pakistani captain Inzamamul Haq’s Multan residence and chanted slogans of “Death to Woolmer, Death to Inzamam”. “The performance of the Pakistan team is a sheer responsibility of the captain and no one but Inzamam is responsible for the exit of the team from the World Cup. And the poor performance of the Pakistani team is the only cause of Woolmer’s cardiac arrest,” Khan said. Former cricket captain Asif Iqbal said Woolmer’s conscience, a great aspect of his character, became the reason for his death. “Bob had been under intense criticism ever since he had been appointed as the national coach, especially by the former coaches of the team. But the loss to Ireland was too extreme a shock for him to recover from,” he said. According to former opener Saeed Anwar, Woolmer was a very sensitive person and his team’s loss caused his death, the DNA website reported. “It is very sad that everyone found his unconscious body in the hotel room when it was too late.”
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2007\03\20\story_20-3-2007_pg2_7

Correct me if I am wrong, but isn’t he the same Imran who was blaming Woolmer for our failure just before he died and asking for his sack. Now he is making a u turn. Typical of Khan Sahib. The guy should take a stand and stick to it.

[teelobhain]

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And i think he is also very biased towards Younis Khan; i mean the guy who sucks and Imran Khan is like no no need to kick him out of the team - maybe because he is khan/phathan.

[GoldenAsif]

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Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't he the same Imran who was blaming Woolmer for our failure just before he died and asking for his sack. Now he is making a u turn. Typical of Khan Sahib. The guy should take a stand and stick to it.

Ehsan bhai, yes Imran has criticised Woolmer in the past but his criticism was mainly centered on Woolmer's inability to groom atleast two good openers but he has always maintained that the captain is solely responsible for a team's good/poor results and that he rather than the coach should get all the plaudits if the team wins. Likewise the captain should take all the flak when things go wrong. That's my reading of the whole thing but I could be wrong :p

[ehsan]

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Ehsan bhai, yes Imran has criticised Woolmer in the past but his criticism was mainly centered on Woolmer's inability to groom atleast two good openers but he has always maintained that the captain is solely responsible for a team's good/poor results and that he rather than the coach should get all the plaudits if the team wins. Likewise the captain should take all the flak when things go wrong. That's my reading of the whole thing but I could be wrong :p

No not in the past I am talkign about just after Pakistan was kicked out of the world cup and before woolmers death. He made statements blaming him and now a U turn. But than he has done that a lot of the time before. I don't share the enthusiasm of many people here that as soon as Imran will walk into the PCB office every thing will be honky dory. Afraid not.

[AQ]

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@ehsan

No not in the past I am talkign about just after Pakistan was kicked out of the world cup and before woolmers death. He made statements blaming him and now a U turn. But than he has done that a lot of the time before. I don’t share the enthusiasm of many people here that as soon as Imran will walk into the PCB office every thing will be honky dory. Afraid not.

This was after Woolmer’s death..

It’s always wise to hear it from Horse’s mouth…
sunni sunaai baatoN par yaqeen naheeN kartaY :)

PS: and yes, I believe that Imran is one better option for our cricket at the moment…

[ehsan]

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I will have to dig that up and I am sure I read here on gS as well.

AQ jee you are entitled to believe about Imran. I have seen him operate, a great captain. Lets just leave it at that. There are too many posters here who treat him something like a god and will rip me to pieces if I criticised him. :)

[AQ]

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^
In short, in that video, he did blame Coach for the failure but he also blamed Captain and the selectors as well.. His only complain with the coach was that we could not find a opening pair... but then he blamed selectors for that too..

and all that, after the incident.. so yes.. he did not change his mind.... in context to what you and GA were discussing...

[ehsan]

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^ In short, in that video, he did blame Coach for the failure but he also blamed Captain and the selectors as well.. His only complain with the coach was that we could not find a opening pair... but then he blamed selectors for that too..

and all that, after the incident.. so yes.. he did not change his mind.... in context to what you and GA were discussing...

You said in the video he did blame the coach for the failure. This is what he said in what was posted in GA's post:

“The performance of the Pakistan team is a sheer responsibility of the captain and no one but Inzamam is responsible for the exit of the team from the World Cup. And the poor performance of the Pakistani team is the only cause of Woolmer’s cardiac arrest,”

See the confusion in his statement.

[AQ]

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You said in the video he did blame the coach for the failure. This is what he said in what was posted in GA's post:

“The performance of the Pakistan team is a sheer responsibility of the captain and no one but Inzamam is responsible for the exit of the team from the World Cup. And the poor performance of the Pakistani team is the only cause of Woolmer’s cardiac arrest,”

See the confusion in his statement.

so that quote is from Imran... who told you that? Imran?? I guess it was GA who told you :p

now listen to it from Imran's own mouth (u can call it from horse's mouth) whether or not he actually did say it? :p

I will rather believe in words that I hear from Imran's own mouth than someone else quoting him :)

[ehsan]

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So are you saying that the link is incorrect and they made it up. Come on AQ I expect better from you.

[AQ]

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So are you saying that the link is incorrect and they made it up. Come on AQ I expect better from you.

links might be fine but I was just comparing the two ... one is a "QOUTATION" of him and one is HIMSELF saying on that subject...

Having seen such examples myself in pakistani journalism where things are taken out of context, I will rather take side with what the person is saying than any Tom Dick and Harry quoting him...

[truelies]

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@zafar2002

I saw that man saying it, first time I felt the same, but I guess that man did not meant in a way our follow guppies are thinking, its only a communication problem, only he would have added poor guy died with shame because of Pak team performance (I believe he meant in that way).......sometime I guess our interpretation could be wrong, we did not hear what all of he said....so people please do not assume about our Nation. I could not sleep last night till late 12:30 even though I went to bed at about 10pm, I felt so sad because of woolmer's death, I think our Nation is very good and very sensitive and loving Nation.

Please be considerate...I love you all

I totally agree with Zafar here. I didn't feel bad either coz you need to understand the level these people are at. The guy didn't mean to anything bad about Bob. Infact he implied that Pakistan's poor showing caused it.