The Karachi Taliban issue

Alright, we’ve all heard it from time to time that port city of Karachi is being talibanized. Details include the afghan refugees and other pashtun ethnicities settling down in what is labeled as illegal land which does not belong to them.

So today, was watching a talk show and Asfand Yar Wali was talking on this issue and this is some of what he had to say:

The movement of people from frontier to Karachi is not an overnight thing. It has been going on for a very long time. When you have been left without a family because all your relatives have been forced to leave (due to war/bombing/taliban threat) or have been killed. You would naturally turn to some place where you know someone. So many who sit on the bus leaving frontier are headed to karachi because they have a relative or someone they know who lives there.

Why live on illegal land?

When you have faced the hardest of times, and your children are starving. You are fed up with the Govt and system in place, you won’t care about the logistics or ethics or lawful angle of things, most basic of which is land. So you do what others who settled there did, you erect a tent and it is home.

What is the issue? Is it talibanization?

Yes and no. Yes because some people turn to crime. No, because it is more of an illegal land issue than anything. Both the accuser and the accused are at fault. Both are trying to grab any land they can. If the accuser is able to grab the land, it becomes government property, but if the accused grabs it and is able to maintain it, then he becomes a victim who is wrongfully being evicted.


Now, i request you all to please be rational. Leave the usual rhetoric and hate outside when replying.

Here’s what i want to ask. Does the city govt. provide them with alternative housing? Should it provide them with alternative housing?

The way i see it, if the MQM government resorts to provide them temporary or alternative housing, it will be doing two things. 1: it can pride itself on the fact that is truly a public party working for the emprovished citizens of the city, hence a party for the ordinary man. 2: it will send a vibrant message to others across the nation that notions set in place about the party are a history that should not be used to judge the current party and where it stands today.

It is costly, no doubt. But, sometimes to win some, you have to lose some. This way the city government might actually open the rest of Pakistan to its membership for party and attract and appeal to the people.

Other parts of the world have programs in place, such as public housing projects which are basically high rises that are leased to low income families at very affordable rates.

May be the city government of Karachi can do the same, it will earn a little revenue and it won’t have to resort to violence or threats to move the people from certain areas such as Sohrab Goth.

What do you say about it?

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^^ it is good idea , if Karachi is over-populated, MQM can re-locate them to other cities, giving them better accommodation and place to start their new lives.

It is all matter of intentions, if one want to solve the problem, then there are ways otherwise there is speeches of Altaf bhai.. claiming to clean the SINDH Dharti from Pakistanies..

I don't think it is possible to provide housing to anyone everyone who is fleeing from FATAs. There are hundreds of thousands already living on illiegal occupied lands in Karachi, what have they done wrong? Everyone will have an excuse why they should get housing from Sindh govt etc., it will open flood gates of corruption (as if we are limited now :D).

It should be Fed govt's responsibility to relocate them to different cities and stop the crowding in one city. Fed should redirect people coming out of FATA to other areas instead of burdening one city. May be govt can build few refugee shelters for the people.

Technically you are right on that one.. but if FEDS are doing nothing then the local govt should do something about it..
People who are fleeing from FATA can be provided with the Refugees Camp.. and that will affirm their temporary status..

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Pakistanies should be allowed to settle anywhere in Pakistan. Let it be Karachi or Multan.

In any country the state doesn't impose restrictions on citizens from moving from one place to another.

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^ if they buy their own houses, yes then they should settle anywhere in the country they want.

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so, in effect, they are 'qabza group' and not taliban?

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the framing of this issue along ethnic lines is idiotic. Both ANP and MQM need to stop doing that.

Immigrants have always been coming to Karachi. Slum/informal/illegal communities are the norm in big cities, and yea criminal elements use the lax crime enforcement to their advantage. To restrict the flow of immigrants of any ethnicity is beyond stupid, and therefore not surprising the MQM have taken to advocacy of that.

The issue of Talebanisation is infact driven by hardline religious groups, many of whom are based in urdu-speaking communities too. The issue of Talebanization is the fact that there is a sizeable number of armed young people, who wish to impose the same kind of hardline religious and cultural bigotry we see in Swat and FATA in Karachi. This includes people of different ethnicities. To talk about immigrants and land grabbers etc is besides the point.

And yes, as far as slum/immigrant communities goes, the city govt needs to do more. Also private initiatives such as the Orangi Pilot Project need to be encouraged