The ISI killed Benazir Bhutto
The ISI killed Shehzad (the journalist do not know his last name)
The ISI was protecting and hiding OBL for 10 years
The ISI is solely responsible for the destablization of Afghanistan
The ISI and the LET are cohorts.
They do all of this and still nobody touches them, nationally and internationally!!
God damn it these guys are more powerful than James Bond in Moonraker!!
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They are omnipotent for foreigners, we pakistanis know their abilities within Pakistan.
The journalist was saleem shahzad
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^ They can do all this because they're really good at covering their tracks - there is no smoking gun.
OR they they don't do all this.
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It's a beaten track. We anyhow discuss ISI ruthlessly wherever and whenever it is necessary in any thread. This bulletin seems an underdone overdose :)
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we CaNt blame everything on ISI PERIOD..
Welcome to Pakistan here we have all kind of Black Sheeps in All kind of govt.hold positions.from General to Rangroot from Chaprasi to 22grade officer, and ALL politicians.
let me see what we have in Afghanistan these days!!
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we CaNt blame everything on ISI PERIOD.. Welcome to Pakistan here we have all kind of Black Sheeps in All kind of govt.hold positions.from General to Rangroot from Chaprasi to 22grade officer, and ALL politicians. let me see what we have in Afghanistan these days!!
that is the problem, we have blacksheeps in all departments but for some reasons we don't seem to have then in ISI...hence frustration from Americans and anyone who don't get their things done or find ISI in their way..
Imean only a year a go, ISI was perfect, the moment, Pasha and KIyani decided to not to cooperate with USA anymore, ISI becomes the target... and we have enough black sheeps in Pakistan to bark whatever US wants them for BISCUITS
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Imean only a year a go, ISI was perfect, the moment, Pasha and KIyani decided to not to cooperate with USA anymore, ISI becomes the target... and we have enough black sheeps in Pakistan to bark whatever US wants them for BISCUITS
What cooperation? Pasha and Kiyani showed their incompetence in protecting Pakistani sovereignty and from the US perspective, played a double game. For once, the view of the nationalists and the US government are aligned, Kiyani and Pasha need to go.
I am not blaming the ISI/Pakistani armed forces, just the corrupt and impotent leadership.
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Intelligence agencies are no angelic organisations. Black ops ftw.
PS: I don’t get your signature, CM 
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What cooperation? Pasha and Kiyani showed their incompetence in protecting Pakistani sovereignty and from the US perspective, played a double game. For once, the view of the nationalists and the US government are aligned, Kiyani and Pasha need to go.
I am not blaming the ISI/Pakistani armed forces, just the corrupt and impotent leadership.
if they don't play double games (from US prospective), what do you suggest they should do? either surrender to them or confront them??? which way you suggest, a short one liner would be enough
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if they don't play double games (from US prospective), what do you suggest they should do? either surrender to them or confront them??? which way you suggest, a short one liner would be enough
Do what is best for Pakistan meaning cooperate when it is in our interest and confront when it is not.
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Do what is best for Pakistan meaning cooperate when it is in our interest and confront when it is not.
dude, that is when US says that ISI and Pak-Army is playing double game...
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dude, that is when US says that ISI and Pak-Army is playing double game...
A few points:
These are more recent instances of leadership failure and a direct attack on our sovereignty.
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A few points:
1- Agreeing to drone attacks 2- Allowing OBL to hidden in Pakistan when he caused the destabilization of Afg/Pak and the US operation in A'Bad 3- Raymond Davis case 4- Operations in KP at the behest of US/NATO
These are more recent instances of leadership failure and a direct attack on our sovereignty.
1-Agreeing to drone by Mushy....and as we all know now that he never even discussed the issue with his commanders.... so it was muhsy's decision
2- how can you say that they allowed OBL in Pakistan, do you have any prove or you know it because a story in NYT or WSJ suggests so... most importantly how do you know the thing they killed was OBL, did Obama sent to the copy of his prints???
3- Raymond Davis, has to go, powers like China cannot hold American spy, Pakistan did manage to keep him for some time and i believe that ( the reason of rift) ISI have obtained some crucial information from him, hence, CIA decided to teach ISI a lesson, so a Drama of OBL, where no body in the world was shown the dead body, where the dead body was thrown into sea so no evidence is left, where only the president of USA ( who was lied for IRAQ war) is the only person who says that He is dead...and then more attack on Army, in form of PNS_Mehran,... and now US asking to remove Pasha and KIyani....since when and why US have develop this hatred for these two??? any idea???
4) Do you mean Operation is Swat was on behest of NATO/US? or do you mean operation in SWA against TTP was in behest of NATO/US or do you mean the current Operation at the request of People of Kurran Agency against TTP is as per US/NATO demand.. please specify?
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A few points:
1- Agreeing to drone attacks 2- Allowing OBL to hidden in Pakistan when he caused the destabilization of Afg/Pak and the US operation in A'Bad 3- Raymond Davis case 4- Operations in KP at the behest of US/NATO
These are more recent instances of leadership failure and a direct attack on our sovereignty.
1-Agreeing to drone by Mushy....and as we all know now that he never even discussed the issue with his commanders.... so it was muhsy's decision
2- how can you say that they allowed OBL in Pakistan, do you have any prove or you know it because a story in NYT or WSJ suggests so... most importantly how do you know the thing they killed was OBL, did Obama sent to the copy of his prints???
3- Raymond Davis, has to go, powers like China cannot hold American spy, Pakistan did manage to keep him for some time and i believe that ( the reason of rift) ISI have obtained some crucial information from him, hence, CIA decided to teach ISI a lesson, so a Drama of OBL, where no body in the world was shown the dead body, where the dead body was thrown into sea so no evidence is left, where only the president of USA ( who was lied for IRAQ war) is the only person who says that He is dead...and then more attack on Army, in form of PNS_Mehran,... and now US asking to remove Pasha and KIyani....since when and why US have develop this hatred for these two??? any idea???
4) Do you mean Operation is Swat was on behest of NATO/US? or do you mean operation in SWA against TTP was in behest of NATO/US or do you mean the current Operation at the request of People of Kurran Agency against TTP is as per US/NATO demand.. please specify?
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I will come to a few points that you made in your post:
1) the go ahead for drone attacks was given during musharraf's time but there were less than 10 drone attacks during his time. The number of drone attacks has gone up exponentially during kiyani's time.
2) Pakistani government has not refuted the claims of Americans that they have killed obl in abbotabad, besides his family is still in Pakistani custody
3) who asked Pakistani government to bow to American pressure in the first place, if they had resisted to giving visas to CIA and blackwater in the first place we wouldn't have been where we are now. Again during kiyani's time record visas were given to American operatives
4) swat and swa operation was necessary now, I agree. Even kurram operation was necessary but to put things into perspective the Americans also wanted a Pakistani operation in kurram as according to them the haqqani militants were using kurram to enter Afghanistan from the Pakistani side
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1-Agreeing to drone by Mushy…and as we all know now that he never even discussed the issue with his commanders… so it was muhsy’s decision
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I am not here to defend Mush, but Kiyani allowed for the steep escalation of the drone attacks. American drone strikes in Pakistan - Wikipedia
Also, let us not forget the hypocritical lodging of “strong protests” when Kiyani has quietly signed off on the attacks.
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2- how can you say that they allowed OBL in Pakistan, do you have any prove or you know it because a story in NYT or WSJ suggests so… most importantly how do you know the thing they killed was OBL, did Obama sent to the copy of his prints???
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Alright lets say that you’re right, Osama was not there – but we certainly know that the Navy seals were. Are you going to deny that? I mean there are photos:
Where was the Pakistani Air force/Military/SSG?
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3- Raymond Davis, has to go, powers like China cannot hold American spy, Pakistan did manage to keep him for some time and i believe that ( the reason of rift) ISI have obtained some crucial information from him, hence, CIA decided to teach ISI a lesson, so a Drama of OBL, where no body in the world was shown the dead body, where the dead body was thrown into sea so no evidence is left, where only the president of USA ( who was lied for IRAQ war) is the only person who says that He is dead…and then more attack on Army, in form of PNS_Mehran,… and now US asking to remove Pasha and KIyani…since when and why US have develop this hatred for these two??? any idea???
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How about oops Raymond Davis was killed in an encounter by “robbers”? What the ISI only has the cojones to kill Pakistani citizens now?
Oh thanks for bringing in PNS Mehran, why weren’t the Pakistani armed forces on high alert after the OBL episode? I don’t trust this leadership at all.
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4) Do you mean Operation is Swat was on behest of NATO/US? or do you mean operation in SWA against TTP was in behest of NATO/US or do you mean the current Operation at the request of People of Kurran Agency against TTP is as per US/NATO demand.. please specify?**
I’m talking about operations in FATA. The coordinates and air support is provided by the US/NATO. Pakistani military is playing Robin to the US Batman. I see TTP has a foriegn directed menace, however what have the Taliban of Afghanistan done to hurt Pakistan? They might be using FATA as launchpads to attacks against coalition forces in Afghanistan, but so what? After the Amrikis leave the Afghanistan misadventure, it will be the Taliban returning to power. We don’t need any more enemies than we have.
Pakistani military should only be engaged in operations against TTP, Chechnians and others who are against the State, not just because the US taking revenge for 9-11 in Afghanistan.
I hope all of this clear. Both Kiyani and Pasha need to be replaced by strong, nationalist leaders who can stand up to the US and say, “cut off the aid but leave us alone as well.”
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The ISI killed Benazir Bhutto The ISI killed Shehzad (the journalist do not know his last name) The ISI was protecting and hiding OBL for 10 years The ISI is solely responsible for the destablization of Afghanistan The ISI and the LET are cohorts.
They do all of this and still nobody touches them, nationally and internationally!!
God damn it these guys are more powerful than James Bond in Moonraker!!
lol...you forgot to mention that the ISI created an extreme fear in the minds of some 1.2 billion Indian people... :D
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Zabardust - not to forget ISI created fear for 179 million people of Pakistan too.( I am leaving the PA from this list)
Kidnappings, murders, instability, terrorism - you name it, ISI does this to it's own people.
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that makes 1.379 billion people in total 
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lol...you forgot to mention that the ISI created an extreme fear in the minds of some 1.2 billion Indian people... :D
Thats why its also known as India Spanking Institute :D
After all it is well established fact that Shri ISI even caused floods and earth quakes in India.
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There is no way you dont have masters degree in Mathematics. You are good in addition 
as for ISI, of course it was not created to do Niaaz every Friday on different mazars and dargahs. It was created to preempt and deal with the the external and internal threats to Pakistan. Although I dont agree with many of their dirty internal political moves in Pakistan, they cant remain clean hand in this business just like any other spy agency around the world including CIA, Mosad, KGB and RAW. What do they say, gunda hai per dhanda hai …
criticism wo karey jis ke apni agency yee harkateen na kerteee ho…