The Impact of Indian T.V dramas

deedawar · August 21, 2005, 2:08pm

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xlnc786:

Who are you defending … those people that had the whole cast system(what do you call this discrimination or what). they had satti .. and whose religion can be changed by couple of pandits anytime.

Islam has never been changed. And “Ehle-Sunnah Wal Jammat” is still going on the path directed 1400 years ago.

well this is the one religion that said no discrimination among “people”
and no text book in pakistan tells us to discriminate. The books that are telling to discriminate are those which are written by so called muslims and in reality are hindus and jews and those books are distributed all over the world to get the islam in people’s bad books.

Islam protects the women rights more than any religion does. And your question was based on one site. On internet the stuff you find is what that cannot be authenticated. Your research on the topic is very poor so dont say anything b4 getting your facts straight and right.
PEACE.

^Very Well said. Thank you.

(A garbage digger will only get garbage and nothing but the garbage.)

PRNR · August 21, 2005, 3:02pm

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Suggestion
a)Lets stop comparing one religion with the other. As long as you are happy with life the way you are leading it with your religion, you should stay happy
b) There are quite a few negatives that can be pointed out about each religion (C'mon...dont tell me you actually believe that all Muslims are the same and there is no discrimination whatsoever...I have heard of the terms Shias, Sunnis, Ahmedis etc etc... and to the best of my memory and knowledge, they are not really absolutely happy with one another, are they?). Thats not to take anything away from the point that there is plenty of negatives in Hinduism - the caste system being the bigest malaise).
c) The point about being completely unchanged for 1400 years - Not very sure again that there have been no renewed interpretations of Islam on different aspects (things like insurance or banking is not allowed by Islam originally..however, with newer interpretations in more recent times, Islamic Banking and Islamic insurance (Takaful) are very much in practice now. And of course one also need not think that being unchanged is always a virtue. Of course while basic core values should not change, some of the practices perhaps need to be changed with changing times..some of the practices were relevant and necessary in the times they were set, but need to be changed with the current situation. So you dont necessarily make a virtue out of sticking to what one was.
d) Religion essentially is the means of ensuring that society stays on the good path and generally the objectives of all religions are towards that goal. Lets respect that.

So lets stop deluding ourself with arguments that attempt to prove one religions superiority over others.

deedawar · August 22, 2005, 3:32am

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So you only had examples which related clearly (but falsely) to islam bashing…you could have come up thousands related to other religeon.
This means you are one sided and not what you are pretending to be.

PRNR · August 22, 2005, 5:53am

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Ooops! Am sorry for not having been articulate enough to reflect my thoughts onto words so clearly that it has lead to you the conclusion that you have reached.
And even the examples I took were actually meant to be the more positive parts of changing some of the practices - When I refered to Islamic banking/insurance, I see it more as a positive of a religion (Islam in this case) allowing certain practices to come to life while still retaining the basic philosophy behind the initial non-existence of Islamic banking/insurance (no concept of interest or the money not invested in things which are haraam etc - so thats actually good, what so you feel?).
And similarly for Sati in Hinduism - the reason for it being there was that in the past, when there were too many wars and many men dying in them leaving more and more unmarried and young women - this was leading to social problems and Sati was the idea (stupid in my view) to ensure that the society did not have this skewed ratio of females to males. With change in times and situation its only sensible that this practice be stopped and thats what happened. So its good again, isnt it?

As for being one sided, well I am a Hindu and very happy about it. Consciously I try to be objective about religion and as I said believe in not comparing one religion with the other. But sub-consciously if I do have a bias, its not surprising which way I would tilt though I would be happier if I didnt have that bias.

Hope you are happy too about what you are.

RashGuy · August 22, 2005, 11:41am

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^
Well you chose the wrong examples of trying to portray Islam in a positive light. What is interest and insurance. Both of them are haraam and would be done away with when the khilafat is established. In Islam things dont change..They remain constant for all times to come. If a rule is sacrosanct around 1400 years, even now they remain so.
If slavery was permitted then, slavery would be reintroduce after the Khilafat is established.. Just wait !!!

PRNR · August 22, 2005, 12:22pm

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Really?? But aren't all these Islamic banking,Islamic insurance etc approved by Shariah scholars?? My understanding is that they are. And these exist even in places like Saudi Arabia (am under the impression is that thats one country which will bethe lastone to allow something thats not truly Islamic.

BTW, I am quite ignorant of Khilafat?? Whats that about?

Lahore_981 · August 22, 2005, 2:01pm

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This is a common problem. Personally, I never liked Indian movies for the following reasons.

Extreemly emotional, unrealistic themes.
99% movies made on the theme of a boy and a girl falling in love for various reasons, which in fact is quite attractive but is not close to reality at all (the English movies are not like that). A human mind gets enchanted by such things, especially those young minds who have not seen the practicalities of life.
Most of the times, inappropriate information being portrayed to the general audience, without regard to the age, gender
Anti-Pakistan movies.
General behaviour and policies of India about Pakistan.
Propagation of nudity and vulgarity among the viewers.
Above all, this is their religion, culture or whatever, not ours. We are Muslims and we have different criteria and ethics to live our lives, our moral sode is opposite to them. …
Yes, they use these movies to capture the minds of Pakistani people and youth.

In my opinion, life is much more than this. We have responsibilities towards ourselves, our society, Parents, DEEN, Allah, and much much more and when we monopolize our time in these activities or take inspirations or affect from them, we are being harmed from many aspects.

There are much more problems and concerns in life. I think we should better try to solve the problems of those who are weak, poor etc. Instead of wasting money on such entertainments, we should donate this money for the welfare of people (thats what I do). We should read good books so that they would help us become good humans, build a strong character and personality to be able to meet up with the challanges ahead.

My opinion, others might disagree

Capitol · August 22, 2005, 2:03pm

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a Muslim’s fantasy world.

deedawar · August 23, 2005, 9:00pm

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Agree with Lahore.

deedawar · August 23, 2005, 9:03pm

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Muslims HAD Khilafat. Thats far from fantasy.

funny_jammies · August 23, 2005, 10:20pm

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What bs is this? People watch what they like. If Indian shows have an audience in Pakistan it's not because someone put a gun to their heads to watch them. As to quality of Indian shows - if the movies are any indication, they're probably as good as an Pixar animates in India.

deedawar · August 23, 2005, 10:36pm

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PRNR:

Ooops! Am sorry for not having been articulate enough to reflect my thoughts onto words so clearly that it has lead to you the conclusion that you have reached.
And even the examples I took were actually meant to be the more positive parts of changing some of the practices - When I refered to Islamic banking/insurance, I see it more as a positive of a religion (Islam in this case) allowing certain practices to come to life while still retaining the basic philosophy behind the initial non-existence of Islamic banking/insurance (no concept of interest or the money not invested in things which are haraam etc - so thats actually good, what so you feel?).
And similarly for Sati in Hinduism - the reason for it being there was that in the past, when there were too many wars and many men dying in them leaving more and more unmarried and young women - this was leading to social problems and Sati was the idea (stupid in my view) to ensure that the society did not have this skewed ratio of females to males. With change in times and situation its only sensible that this practice be stopped and thats what happened. So its good again, isnt it?

As for being one sided, well I am a Hindu and very happy about it. Consciously I try to be objective about religion and as I said believe in not comparing one religion with the other. But sub-consciously if I do have a bias, its not surprising which way I would tilt though I would be happier if I didnt have that bias.

Hope you are happy too about what you are.

Sorry, I read your post a bit late.

I am very happy about who I am. I am a Muslim and a proud Pakistani (for many reasons).
I do believe in need for a change in not so basic parts of a religeon to keep up with the present world.

Capitol · August 24, 2005, 1:50pm

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So Muslims liked to be ruled by a hereditary line of Turkish kings?

skhan · August 24, 2005, 4:44pm

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Lahore 981:

This is a common problem. Personally, I never liked Indian movies for the following reasons.

Extreemly emotional, unrealistic themes.

99% movies made on the theme of a boy and a girl falling in love for various reasons, which in fact is quite attractive but is not close to reality at all (the English movies are not like that). A human mind gets enchanted by such things, especially those young minds who have not seen the practicalities of life.

Most of the times, inappropriate information being portrayed to the general audience, without regard to the age, gender

Anti-Pakistan movies.

General behaviour and policies of India about Pakistan.

Propagation of nudity and vulgarity among the viewers.

Above all, this is their religion, culture or whatever, not ours. We are Muslims and we have different criteria and ethics to live our lives, our moral sode is opposite to them. …

Yes, they use these movies to capture the minds of Pakistani people and youth.

In my opinion, life is much more than this. We have responsibilities towards ourselves, our society, Parents, DEEN, Allah, and much much more and when we monopolize our time in these activities or take inspirations or affect from them, we are being harmed from many aspects.

There are much more problems and concerns in life. I think we should better try to solve the problems of those who are weak, poor etc. Instead of wasting money on such entertainments, we should donate this money for the welfare of people (thats what I do). We should read good books so that they would help us become good humans, build a strong character and personality to be able to meet up with the challanges ahead.

My opinion, others might disagree

:k:

If more Pakistanis thought like you, Bollywood would collapse

deedawar · August 24, 2005, 11:08pm

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I only reacted to the word fantasy!

Capitol · August 25, 2005, 2:22pm

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Question is, can the Ottoman Caliphate, be considered a true khilafat according to Islam?

xlnc786 · August 26, 2005, 10:03am

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PRNR:

Suggestion
a)Lets stop comparing one religion with the other. As long as you are happy with life the way you are leading it with your religion, you should stay happy
b) There are quite a few negatives that can be pointed out about each religion (C’mon…dont tell me you actually believe that all Muslims are the same and there is no discrimination whatsoever…I have heard of the terms Shias, Sunnis, Ahmedis etc etc… and to the best of my memory and knowledge, they are not really absolutely happy with one another, are they?). Thats not to take anything away from the point that there is plenty of negatives in Hinduism - the caste system being the bigest malaise).
c) The point about being completely unchanged for 1400 years - Not very sure again that there have been no renewed interpretations of Islam on different aspects (things like insurance or banking is not allowed by Islam originally..however, with newer interpretations in more recent times, Islamic Banking and Islamic insurance (Takaful) are very much in practice now. And of course one also need not think that being unchanged is always a virtue. Of course while basic core values should not change, some of the practices perhaps need to be changed with changing times..some of the practices were relevant and necessary in the times they were set, but need to be changed with the current situation. So you dont necessarily make a virtue out of sticking to what one was.
d) Religion essentially is the means of ensuring that society stays on the good path and generally the objectives of all religions are towards that goal. Lets respect that.

So lets stop deluding ourself with arguments that attempt to prove one religions superiority over others.

All your suggestions are out of the text book of a jew writer…

Who is comparing the religion i was talking about the illetracy that was prevelent…
I said Ehl-e-Sunnah Wal Jammat is going on the right path set 1400 years ago.. It is the path created by 4 Imams by the teaching of Sahaba(R.A) that originated from Hazrat Muhammad (PBUH) … They were the ones who got all the material from Sahabah(R.A) and posted them to islamic world … and following their teachings is called Ehl-e-Sunnah Wal Jammat … Well most of the ppl dont know Imam like Noman bin Sabit (RehmatulAllah) and Imam Sahfi , Imam Hanfi etc …
But these were the imam who spread the islamic teachings. And the people that are not following them go out of Ehl-e-sunnah Wal jammat so they name themselves something else and what do you call that a caste system ??? these are the people that add or subtract something from islam and make their own point of view.. I hope they know what they are doing.

3)And about the new laws … Well Ijtehaad is a thing that we call to cancel those practices which were only possible in that time i.e 1400 yrs ago… but i have to make myself clear that ijtihaad cant be used by anyone to get himself rid of those teachings that look hard to practise. And ijtehhad is not every man’s toy it is done by thousands of islamic scholars getting togather and talking about it that comes in the form of Fatwa. And about banking how do you suppose that interest rate system originated from ??? its a jewish system and was clearly discouraged by islam and islamic banking should be interest free. but bank should be entitled to get enuf so a bank can run … thats a long topic but the islamic banking is interest free and but still bears profit…

well religion is the path to get in touch with your Creator. Not to create an idol in mind and say that this is my creator.
e.g a person build something like computer … if it was self enbled and would say that you are not my creator i created myself or the steel created me… what would you do … a human would get berserk and break the damn thing or something …
But that is human nature … But God has unthinkable disposition and gives human beings chance to come to him through the right path..

i.e … the water flowing from a dirty pond and water flowing from a beautiful pure lake …what are you going to prefer ??? i think i made myself clear here..

NOTE:::: All The people say that Mullah do this Mullah Do that… Please define Mullah first and b4 accusing them think yourself what have you guyz given to religion what kind of people have you given to the religion… were the super genius or didnt even knew their name when they were almost 9 yrs … Still being that dumb a man can reform himself in to a person who is known as someone that can tell us about the religion… So why cant we ??? Why cant we do it … the things they study in 9yrs i am sure we can read in less then that cant we ??

Lahore_981 · August 26, 2005, 1:15pm

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Haha
In fact, anyone who talks or refers to Islam, Quran or Religion or anyone who uses them as a source of guidance, is a Mullah, a person raised and taught in madrisas.

Some people here are labelling me as Mullah, because I talk about Quran, Islam and religion and base my comments on them. Although I have never seen the face of a Madrisa, ever in my life. I don’t have a beard…

These are the people who are fed by the perceptions of media. They don’t use their own reasoning…

BTW, your answers are good…

deedawar · August 27, 2005, 2:19am

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I am scratching my head on the nature and purpose of this question!
Does it have any relation to this thread???

funny_jammies · August 28, 2005, 11:49pm

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incorrect. Everyone knows a computer CANNOT have its own mind whereas human beings do. You cannot glibly state “if self enabled” that is an invalid assumption. On the other hand human beings ARE self enabled and a majority of them do not agree about the creator. Such disagreement has been going on for thousands of years and no creator has chosen to blow them up.

And in fact do you realize an overwhelming percentage of humans do not accept your view of creator. Here are some sobering thoughts for you:

the Christian God is believed to be the creator by tha largest number of people
Another 15% or so believe Brhma is the creator
not to mention numerous other Gods / Creators