These days Aleem Dar is the darling of all commentators (goras and desis alike) for his “superb umpiring skills”. I think he is over rated and in an effort to retain an impartial image, most of his decisions have gone against the home team. Thus if he adjudges a Pakistani player out (when he was not out, in reality) or judges a Bengladeshi/SA player not out (when he actually out) all of this goes unaccounted.
A couple of examples that come to mind are the two very suspicious Pakistani run outs that he declared as the third umpire in the 5th ODI against Banladesh. Also Youhana’s LBW in the 5th ODI against SA when the ball was too high and not in line with stumps either… When Pakistan was bowling, he did not award a couple of LBWs which looked plumb.
The only question that comes to mind is if his dubious decisions are reversed, i.e., he starts giving them in favor of the home team, will he still be ranked so high??
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*Originally posted by UMAIR316: *
He has been ranked high sice WC in South Africa, and none of them involved Pakistan.
So far I haven't seen him given a bad decision.
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The decision of Youhana in the last game against SA was wrong. The ball was hit high on the pad and shouldn't have been given out. But nonetheless, I still think he is a very good umpire.
The decision of Youhana in the last game against SA was wrong. The ball was hit high on the pad and shouldn't have been given out. But nonetheless, I still think he is a very good umpire.
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But then again Youhana should have been LBW 2nd ball he faced Nel after the dismissal of Hafeez, so he should have been given out then.
So it all balances it out.
But then again Youhana should have been LBW 2nd ball he faced Nel after the dismissal of Hafeez, so he should have been given out then.
So it all balances it out.
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No it doesn't balance anything. The basic rule about umpiring is that you should never try to "balance" a mistake by making another mistake. If Youhana was out and Haer declared him not out, it was the first wrong decision. And when he was not out and declard out by Aleem, it was the second wrong decision. So we have two wrong decisions here..... no balancing!
Secondly, in an earlier post, you mentioned that you haven't seen him give a wrong decision and in the last post you have, kind of, agreed that Aleem's "wrong" decision balanced Haer's wrong decision. So have you now seen Aleem give a wrong decision :) .
Please also comment on the two stumping decisions that went in favor of Bangladesh in the 5th ODI. Nobody was sure after seing 100 replays from all angles, and in such cases, batsman should get the benefit of doubt. It only went unnoticed because those controversial decisions did not have any impact on the outcome of the match.
But then again Youhana should have been LBW 2nd ball he faced Nel after the dismissal of Hafeez, so he should have been given out then.
So it all balances it out.
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ust because Yoyo was not given out the first time does not excuse the bad decision made by Aleem Dar.
To expect zero mistakes from an umpire is plain ridiculous. What you look for is overall competence in decision making and impartiality. Some umpires can make 3 umpiring mistakes in one innings so to point to one or two questionable decisions from an umpire's career as proof they are over-hyped is warped viewing of the situation.
Dar has looked far superior to Darryl Hair in this series and I think it's just disappointment which would lead to the view that he has been biased against the home team. He is in my opinion a superb umpire and most of the non-partial judges like Manjrekar, Jones and Haysman have agreed with that view.
But then again Youhana should have been LBW 2nd ball he faced Nel after the dismissal of Hafeez, so he should have been given out then.
So it all balances it out.
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Your right, Youhana was plumb on the second ball but it was Darrel Hair who judged him not out...so its not Aleem Dar's fault in any way...:)
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*Originally posted by Mr Xtreme: *
He is in my opinion a superb umpire and most of the non-partial judges like Manjrekar, Jones and Haysman have agreed with that view.
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This is just my thought and I may be wrong but it looks that we need certification from the likes of Dean Jones, Haysman, Robin Jackman, and Manjrekar to be labeled as partial or impartial. And an umpire will look hell of impartial if all (or most) of his dubious decisions are going against his home team. I believe he would have faced quite a bit of criticism from the same group if half of those decisions had gone in Pakistan's favor.
Anyway, since we always need to have our talent and our judgment certified by "them", I think it is at least commendable that a desi is getting so favorable reviews.
Dar look OK to me although his decision of giving Youhana out (LBW) in the final ODI played a vital role in Pakistan's batting collapse. He did not give SA batsmen out on the 100% same appeal (infect more positive one at 2 occasions).
Anyway, since we always need to have our talent and our judgment certified by "them", I think it is at least commendable that a desi is getting so favorable reviews.
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I don't need anybody to tell me when I see a good umpire, I opened a thread before the series began on his abilities. The fact that other guys are echoing what most people think just confirms we are right in considering Dar an impressive umpire.He gives decisions as he sees them I don't think he is trying to please anyone.
IMO umpires for all matches should be from neutral countries so the question wouldn't even arise.