The Husseini Lesson

Peace All

This is a time when many focus on the injustice caused to Imam Hussein which was the taking of his life, and the desecration of his corpse … however, few focus on the wisdom in the actions he took in his last days. Let’s see exactly what message he was teaching us. (RA) ..

I would like us all to contribute reflecting on his each decision …

It is common belief that Imam Hussein went towards the front lines of the approaching camp without any weapons or with no intent to fight. This shows that he believed there to be a position that could end the conflict without fighting. Rather it shows that he did not believe that fighting was the right course of action in that situation.

The people were given a difficult option failure to accept Yazid meant an act of open war. Imam Hussein was telling the ummah that there is always the third option. You don’t have to fight the opposition, but you can abstain from siding with them. When that did not help then leaving or fleeing to avoid conflict is the next option to take. If they chase you down then making a mortal sacrifice by placing your life before others are hurt is a great act of bravery. All of this was done to end the fitnah … at all times Imam Hussein was trying to subdue the infighting. It appears that his life did indeed stunt what would have been an ongoing saga of conflicts.

Please add to this …

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Wasalam,

Imam Hussain (as) knew that he was going to be killed the moment he left for Iraq from Madina. Even if we ignore the fact that he was foretold of his martyrdom by the Prophet (saww) and his father, he had known and understood the people and the political circumstances around him very well. Specially given the length of politically challenging time he served with his brother Hasan (as), and all the civil wars under his father. In fact when he decided to set out from Madina, the first advice given to him in Madina by Mohammad ibn Hannafiya was;

Imam Hussain’s said to Mohammad ibn Hannafiya, “Allah has decreed to see me murdered and the women taken captive”.

Imam (as) was not remaining neutral but was to take stand for the religion of Allah (swt) knowing well what the consequences could/would be. Yazid had become the authority over the Muslims. He openly violated the Islamic laws and principles. And the society was such that “unity” under oppression was regarded higher than the dissent and strife for justice (which is a very interesting religious subject even today). In that environment Imam Hussain (as) rose up. When he entered Masjid e Nabbawi to say farewell to his grandfather, he was reading the following verses:

The eminent ones are not frightened in the morning
By an assailant, nor shall I be called a Yazid; (referring to Yazid Ibn Mufrigh)
Should I, fearing death, to injustice yield,
While the fates watch over me against deviating?

I will post more khutbat of his specially the ones he delivered in Mecca and in Mina.


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Peace Pagluu

I think you are right ... the reason why Imam Hussein went against the majority in power was because it was assumed to power in a way that contradicted the Sunnah of previous appointments. Coupled with the fact that Yazid was not from the Rashidoon. It gave ample reason to stand against him but in a manner that would minimise loss of life. And I think that is the key message here.

I have no doubts that had Yazid ibn Muawiya been appointed in the acceptable way then Imam Hussein would have accepted it for the sake of unity. As Imam Hasan did a similar act with Muawiya (RA) in place as the only surviving Khalif despite the fact he was not the first of the two when Ali (RA) was alive. The proof of the letter written by Imam Hasan you have posted is present today ... both the Sunnis and Shi'ah hold Imam Hussein (RA) and Imam Hasan (RA) in high regard and their honour has been preserved.

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hi bro....may I ask wht book have u used in tht shot?....

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hi bro…may I ask wht book have u used in tht shot?..

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I don't think any knew how he was going to die including the Imams and companions.

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^ hmmm... "don't think".....u were talking about conjecture in the other thread?

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To understand the sacrifice of hussain one has to have sense of proper concept of islam. The rest is simply put exaggeration, distortion and twisting of facts and even fabrications.

1)Islam is deen not mazhab

2)khilafah=management of affairs of humanity as par rule of law of Allah by consent of at least majority of people themselves

On this criterion

1, Khilaafah of Abu bakar was fine because it was acording to islam and supported by a great majority of muslims

2, Khilaafah of Umar was fine also due same reasons

3, Khilaafah of Usman was ok as well because he too was accepted khaleefah by ummah, however conspiracies started and some people became unhappy with the way of handling his state affairs but a huge majority was still ok. The people who killed Usman were trying to force him to resign from khilaafah and that was not right for them to do because constitution had to be followed for deposing of an already installed khaleefah. Only majority of people could depose him by showing vote of no confidence in him.

4, Ali also became khaleefah by majority support but it was much greater minority that he needed to take along. People who killed usman also caused problems and ultimately Ali too was killed by them in cold blood. He had no right to give up khilaafah once he was installed by majority of ummah so he did not and he was right.

5, Hassan became khaleefah, again by majority support but minority grew yet more strong and time came when minority became majority so he saw that he no longer has right to be khaleefah because majority support is no longer there, so he resigned and he too did what was right according to the constitution of islam.

6, Hussain had no right to khilaafah because he did not have majority of ummah with him any more and all because people started bringing in foreign concepts of ruling and constitution of deen was changed from quran to none quranic way of ruling ie khilaafah was changed to imperialist system. Since then that is the kind of islam we have been following in the main.

The fight of hussain was not for ruling people to replace yazeed because he knew majority is gone of the rail of quran. His fight was to restart the movement of the prophet once more to bring islam back in to the minds of people as deen so that they bring back the rule of islam. This is what people were not allowed to do and they are not allowed to do it even today because deene islam is a thread to ruling elite through out the world. They have especially created priestly classes to protect them from coming back of islam as a ruling system.

Islam is now just a mazhab and people are happy with it as a mazhab and never sit up and think why we are doing same things as people of other religions ie busy with pooja paat having no sense of real world and human society, politics, economics etc etc. we have no sense even how to manage our homes never mind managing the affairs of wider world. Our educated elite is as stupid as people who never went to school. All because there is no sense of family or humanity and where we all should be going. We have come to think education is all about earning our living and living our own lives as individuals.

The result is we are not even at the level of animals never mind being humans. The world is falling in to deeper painful suffering and wider and wider segment of human society is becoming dis-empowered and dispossessed.

We were supposed turn our world in to a paradise but instead turned it into hell hole.

All this is result of leaving deene islam and accepting mazhabe islam, which means we are slaves of ruling elite in the name of country and in the name of religion we have become slaves of mullahs.

Unless people wake up and fight to come out of slavery they are just useless no matter how they please rulers and mullahs. If we want to please Allah we must get rid of ruling elite and their priestly classes.

I hope people realise what was it that hussain fought for. He fought for educating people about real islam so that they understand it properly and then use it to make their lives better.

deen v mazhab is a subject in its own right that needs to be studied

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no-ones rule was thoroughly established. for example yazid had bayat of shaam, husein RA had promise of bayat from kufa

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Thats to accomodate the views of people who think otherwise.

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@Mughal1 "Islam is deen not mazhab"

what dies this mean? deen or (dheen) -my guess is that means ordained from above? And mazhab means customs?

Also some words I have come across
ummah, swt, pbuh, (RA), kutbat, bayat are some words that are foreign to me - knowing what these mean would help understanding these complicated posts - since they appear frequently

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I just read incidents related to Karbala in Tareekh e Tabri from the death of Ameer Muaviya (RA) followed by attempts made to obtain Bayat from Hazrat Hussain (RA) by Waleed Bin Utbah and Marwaan Bin Hakam, Hazrat Hussain leaving for Makkah and then sending his cousin Hazrat Muslim Bin Aqeel to see what was the situation at Kufa and people who wrote him for Bayat.

These all incidents suggests that no one knew what is going to happen next. If Hazrat Hussain (RA) knew what was going to be happened, why he sent Hazrat Muslim Bin Aqeel (RA) in Kufa to face such a dangerous situation and also taken Ahl e bait with him for his journey to Kufa which was also opposed by Muhammad Bin Hanifa and Ibn e Abbas (RA).

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^muqawwee…u follow sufism I think? u shud know the intrinsic meanings of these issues better…Prophet SAWW too had foretold of his departure from this world in advance in the final pilgrimage…he knew when he was going to go yet he was taking medicine until the last moment…it is a philosophical discussion as to why and we can do that some other time elsewhere…as for Imam Hussain’s martyrdom being foretold…I can give u references from hadiths…Sunni hadiths and authentic books and narrations…or if u r interested in a video and seeing the books for urself then here is a video with several parts…http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gs9mENDS80

as for tarikh tabai…I am sure there is a passage in there tht discusses when Imam Hussain went to his grandfather grave and saw him in his dream…this was in Madina…this narration might be under the chapter of Muawiya’s death I recall…but if u need text of hadiths then I can guide u towards them, iA…

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Mazhab = religion
Deen = way / way of living in reference to religion
ummah = nation of Islam
swt = Subhana wa ta'laj, said after the name of Allah
pbuh = Peace be upon him, said after the name of the Prophet Mohamamd
saww = sallalahu alaihay wa aalayhi wasalam, said after the name of Prophet, salutations on him and his progeny
RA = Raziallah, said after the name of a noble companion or a noble personality, meaning May God be pleased with Him
Khutbat = sermons
bayat = allegiance (source of more bloodshed in the history of Islam than anything else)

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Spot on, nothing in the history suggests that and i think for someone who already knows whats going to happen is better prepared for it. Claiming that they already knew whats going to happen is reducing the significance of their sacrifice.

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Dear southie, deen in quranic sense=divine constitution for administration to organise and manage human society as per divine rule of law to bring about blissful world that is at peace within itself and prosperous.

mazhab=system of make beliefs=religion=dogmatic creed. A concept invented by imperialists and their priests to replace deen so that people could take other people as their slaves.

Islam is about freeing people from slavery of people and tying them in to a single family or brotherhood caring and sharing.

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Thank you very much Mughal1. Nice philosophy - I like that.

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Thank you Nussairee, for taking the time to explain some comlicated terms. This will help a great deal in understanding some very deep discussions. I am humbled by the level of discourse here.

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here is one reference for you from Tarikh al tabari…

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This discussion has potential but it is being derailed. It is an attempt to highlight a very crucial historic event as presented by the classic sources of history. May I request everyone to hold on to their personal views and read the events as presented in the books. You are free to draw your own conclusions and you can share your thoughts as we go but try to stay within the framework of the historic sources rather than your personal opinions.

By the way, Tabari's main source for the events is Maqtal Abu Mikhnaf himself who is considered a reliable source by both the Sunni and Shia historians.