How much influence he had ?
How many men came along him to fight with Hazrat Imam Husain(ra).
On a side note, In urdu language, there is a word “Hurre-yat”. Meaning “to fight against oppression”. I think this word is associated with his name, due to his judgement between right and wrong and decession to fight against the oppressor. Although, before that he was one of them
Re: The 'Hur' Factor
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How much influence he had ?
How many men came along him to fight with Hazrat Imam Husain(ra).
On a side note, In urdu language, there is a word "Hurre-yat". Meaning "to fight against oppression". I think this word is associated with his name, due to his judgement between right and wrong and decession to fight against the oppressor. Although, before that he was one of them
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Assalam Aleekum
Bhi Khuda ke Wasta yeh topic na discuss kareee.
I thought you were asking about Pir Pagara's(senior-the good guy)
Hur's.
Just leave this topic.
May be hadrat hur was alone when he joined …
:topic: is this hur some what related to pir paghara hur jamaat ?..
He was with his wife and 2 sons.
Hur was the name of one of the high-ranking commanders of the army of Omar-ibn-e-Saad who faced the grandson of the Prophet of Islam Imam Hussain ibn-e-Abi Talib (a.s.), with orders from Yazeed-ibn-Muawiah to either get Hussain’s (a.s.) allegiance for his corrupt Khalifat, or kill Hussain (a.s.) and all his friends. It was Hur and his army who first faced Imam Hussain (a.s.), and then kept them under siege, preventing them from getting water.
On the day of Ashura, Hur made a huge decision. Right before the battle started, he left his position and the army he was commanding, and joined Imam Hussain (a.s.), and was the first to be killed in the way of Allah (swt), by the army he used to be a commander of just a few hours earlier. The name “Hur” means free, freeborn, noble, freeman.
Hur bin Yazid ar-Riyahi meanwhile realised that he had committed a big sin by siding with Yazid. He went to Imam Husain (A) and begged for forgiveness.
He stood before Hussain (A), eyes cast down, and asked him, "0! could I but sacrifice myself for you, You son of the Messenger of Allah! I have been stalking you all the way. It was me who prevented you from going back (to where you came from), kept close watch on you, and roared on you in this place. I have never thought that the people would not agree to your proposition. Oh Lord! I turn to you in repentance for I frightened the hearts of Your friends, the offspring of Your Messenger."
"Oh father of Abdullah! I seek penitence from Allah for what I did. Do you, think that He will accept it? " Imam Husain (A) answered, "Yes, he will accept your repentance".
Hur then addressed Yazid's army after taking permission from Imam Husain (A).
"Oh, people of Kufa! You called on this good servant of God; when he responded you welcomed him and claimed that you do not mind getting killed to spare him. Then you changed your minds, transgressing against him with a view to killing him. You put a stranglehold on him, stretched his patience, and besieged him to prevent him from seeking a safe haven in Allah's vast land. He became like a hostage. You denied him, members of his household, and companions access to the waters of the River Euphrates from which Jews, Christians, and fire worshippers drink, and pigs and dogs wade in. Yet Husain, his family, and companion, are dying of thirst. What misery you inherited the offspring of Mohammad (S)! May Allah not give you drink on the day of thirst."
Seeing the result of the words of Imam Husain, Amr ibne Sa'ad, the commander of Yazid's army, was concerned that the morale of his troops would be affected. He therefore declared that all should witness that he was casting the first arrow in battle and he shot an arrow towards Imam (A).
"hurr-iyat" comes from the same root as "tehreer" which means freedom....
so hurriyat does not mean fighting against opression, its simply freedom....
Walikum salam
What is wrong with this topic 
It is least controversial. We may get to know something new 
inuit Thanks for the information
Do you have any information what happend to ibn ziaad(comander of yazid’s army) after some years ?. I heard that he was too beheaded on the same day (ashura) some year later ?
bao bihari No..
armughal Is it arabic word or persian ?
I think Hurr's slave died with him too as well as his son.
And then later when Imam Hussain was beheaded, and shamighareeban came and the tents were burnt and some people from the army of Yazid started saying that at least now some water should go to the children. But one by one people for Yazid's army declined to go the ladies to give them water because after all that they have done ko mouN kasay dikain un ko....
They request Hurr's wife to go give the children water.
Correct me if I am wrong.
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inuit Thanks for the information :)
Do you have any information what happend to ibn ziaad(comander of yazid's army) after some years ?. I heard that he was too beheaded on the same day (ashura) some year later ?
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Mukhtar was imprisoned since the time of Muslim Ibn 'Aqil, but when the prisoners of Imam Husayn's camp in Karbala' arrived in Kufah, Ibn Ziyad ordered the guards to bring Mukhtar from prison and see. When the guards brought him to the governor, Mukhtar was bad mannered and there were harsh words between them. Ibn Ziyad became angry, hit him on his eye with a lash, and ordered him to be returned to prison.
One year after the death of Yazid, Mukhtar revolted against Ibn Ziyad and killed all those who participated in killing Imam Husayn, such as Harmalah ibn Kahil, Shimr ibn dhil-Jawshan, and eighteen thousand others who participated in the massacre at Karbala'.
Amir Mukhtar stayed to teach a lesson to the oppressors of that era in a way that the Dunya-e-Yazidiyyat keeps shattering on hearing the name of Mukhtar even today.
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**armughal* Is it arabic word or persian ?
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BTW Hur bin Yazid ar-Riyahi was an Arab.
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armughal Is it arabic word or persian ?
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its arabic ofcourse....
verse 2:178 wud be the place where u can see the word "hur" used....
refer to verses 4:92, 5:89, 58:3 as examples for usage of "tehreer"....
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BTW Hur bin Yazid ar-Riyahi was an Arab.
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Hur bin Yazid? Is it a coincidence?
Paardon my ignorance, Who was mukhtaar ? 
Actually all we get to know about the details of karbala and we hear about the details of those 10 days again and again. Not much about what happend after that.
^
and beware of the 'cooked up' stories related to that grievous event....
there r a millions of them i tell u....
and the funny thing is that shias who ridicule the sahih hadiths of sunni books, belief in their stories as if they were revealed from Allah. there might be some truth to their stories, but not all of them are even close to being true
^ shias ridicule sahih books ?
I dont think so …
Disagreeing is one thing and ridiculing is another.
Btw I came across only one detail of events many number of times.
i.e from 1st to 10th muharram. The journey started. The news of martyrdom of cousin of Hazrat imam husain(ra) in kufa. then Hur and his men meeting Imam Husain(ra) and their demands and then reaching karbala. Then on 7th Muharram cuting-off water supply and then Hazrat Imam Husain(ra) khutba the night before Ashura and then events of 10th muharram.
I have always heard these events in this patren, sometime in detail and some time in summery. So where are the crooked up stories ?
Aslam-o-Alakum,
I agree with armughal that there are millions of ‘cooked up’ stories. And brother ThandyMazaq is in suspicion that “there might be some truth to their stories, but not all of them are even close to being true”. At first he is saying **there might be some truth ** and then he is saying all of them are not even close to being true.
I appreciate brother Code_Red saying “ Disagreeing is one thing and ridiculing is another.” Brother Code_Red karbala (Struggle of Ahle Bait) did not end at Karbala. It remained continued even after that. Sister of Imam Hussain (A) Bibi Zaynab (A) and Imam Zain Al Abadeen (A) were also with him (Imam Hussain) among others. This struggle will remain continue until the day of judgment. Imam Mehdi is also from Ahle bait(A) and descendants of Prophet Muhammand(PBUH) and Bibi Fatima (A).
Those people who dislike AhleBait (A) and their movements always tried to redirect the discussion to some other directions and confuse those who are innocent and those who are ignorant. Their attitude towards Ahlebait (A) is not only from now. This is from beginning even before their birth(A). That is why Allah gave Surah Kausar of Quran to Prophet Muhammad(PBUH). I apologize I moved little bit away from the topic.
When the captive ladies and children of the caravan of Imam Husain (A) reached Damascus. They were in a terrible state. Their bodies were covered in dust, their clothes were in rags and blood oozed from the wounds and cuts inflicted by the tight ropes and whips.
As the caravan was paraded through the streets, the people of Damascus saw the captives and were moved by their pitiable condition. The children were crying with hunger and thirst, so many onlookers threw them dried dates as alms. Bibi Zainab (A) and Bibi Umme Kulthum (A) asked the hungry children not to eat these dates as it was Haraam for them. They requested the people not to throw them food as Sadqah, because the Holy Prophet (S) had forbidden his family to eat such sacrificial offerings. The people of Damascus could not believe that these ladies, who were covering their faces with their hair, were actually from the family of the Holy Prophet (S). They wondered how Yazid had dared to humiliate these holy people in such a manner.
It was Yazid(ln) and his forces who were cooking up stories against Ahle bait (A) to make belief of his people in his own un islamic kingdom, that he is doing just. They simply fabricated Hadith against Ahle Bait(A) using the name of pious Sahaba( R). May Allah give you a power of knowledge and wisdom to judge these things.
Here I am just giving you a reference from Sahih Bukhari. Brother ThandyMazaq would better tell about this Hadith. Those people who love Yazid and agreed with him on killing Imam Hussain(A) based their belief on this Hadith.
*Translation of Sahih Bukhari
Translator: M. Muhsin Khan
Volume 9, Book 88, Number 227:
Narrated Nafi’:
When the people of Medina dethroned Yazid bin Muawiya, Ibn 'Umar gathered his special friends and children and said, “I heard the Prophet saying, ‘A flag will be fixed for every betrayer on the Day of Resurrection,’ and we have given the oath of allegiance to this person (Yazid) in accordance with the conditions enjoined by Allah and His Apostle and I do not know of anything more faithless than fighting a person who has been given the oath of allegiance in accordance with the conditions enjoined by Allah and His Apostle , and if ever I learn that any person among you has agreed to dethrone Yazid, by giving the oath of allegiance (to somebody else) then there will be separation between him and me.” *
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/088.sbt.html
Please read the books of Alhe Sunnah brother to know more about Yazid’s acts. And be aware of the enemies of Ahle Bait. They are entered into Ahle Sunnah, pretending that they are real Ahle Sunnah.
In their histories there is certainly a lesson for men of understanding. It is not a narrative which could be forged, but a verification of what is before it and a distinct explanation of all things and a guide and a mercy to a people who believe. 012.111
Waslam
^ What Yazeed did was wrong and every muslim hate him and his follower for that. I have not met any muslim who thinks otherwise.
Maybe my exposure is limited as muslims nowadays come in every flavour. 
But on the other hand we can not blame every leader (before and after) yazeed for his hideous acts. So cursing everyone form A to Z is wrong. We have to see the ground realities. If one ruler is pious, and God fearing and had established a rightious Islamic government, what is rashonale in cursing him
And why should His father(RA) should be cursed.
Why Amir Muawiya(RA) be cursed.
Betee ke Jurm ka Zimidaar Baap kaab se hugayee.
^ as far as I know know Muwiya was no good.... he was pretty much against Hazrat Ali (a.s.). And I never knew sunnis respected him so much until I saw Mem Sahab's thread. Kindly explain why you guys respect him so much. PM me if I am derailing this thread.