the growing indifference, even to a win

What is your opinion regarding the low key reaction to this win (or actually to all our wins)? I didn’t hear about people crying (yes, I saw it happen) or shooting their TV and themselves (yes, this happened too) when we lost. And similarly people didn’t go bonkers after a win either.

IMO, this change shows that people were not necessarily put off the test series by the matchfixing accusations or the loss in the ODI series but it’s just that our priorities have changed. I personally think it is a great development and I couldn’t have been happier especially with the highlighted parts.

You win a match, you give yourself a pat on the back, perhaps celebrate depending on the significance of the match and start preparing for the next game like the awesome Aussies do. You lose - you go back to the drawing board and figure out what went wrong and how to rectify it in th next game. But there should be no burning of posters, effigies and houses, throwing of stones, baseless matchfixing accusations, frivolous lawsuits, raucous and meaningless celebrations that waste time and money especially for insignificant games, etc.

It’s great to see Pakistani fans finally taking a mature approach towards the game. We’re a dignified, mature nation and it’s about time we showed ourselves as one. Now if only some of our past players could learn a lesson or two from the fans..


**Pakistan fans indifferent to win **

By Adnan Adil

**Gone are the days when people in Pakistan used to distribute sweets, chant slogans and set off fireworks to mark a cricket match victory over India. **

When batsman Taufeeq Umer scored a four to seal his country’s victory in the second Test match, there was a only a small crowd in Lahore’s huge stadium to applaud the nine-wicket victory over India.

**Across the city the streets were quiet and people went about their business as usual. **

Lahore does not appear to be as enthusiastic about a win over India as it was 15 years ago, when Pakistan’s neighbour last visited this country.

Although Pakistan was poised to win the match on Thursday, most cricket fans opted to stay away from the stadium to see the match on TV.

Perhaps it was the hot weather that kept the people away.

In the general stands of Lahore’s 23,000-seat Qaddafi stadium, there is no protection for the spectators. On the final day of the game, the temperature rose to 40 degree centigrade.

Stringent security measures means that spectators are not allowed to leave the stands until the day’s play is finished.

They were not allowed to carry matches to light their cigarettes and drinking water was not freely available.

Test matches usually do not attract huge crowds in Pakistan unlike one-day matches which can often witness riots outside ticket counters.

Naqi Akbar, an office worker, said scheduling the match on working days kept him from attending it.

“I would have gone if it was played on a Sunday. My six-year-old son was insisting he wanted to see the match in the stadium.”

In fact most cricket fans in Pakistan lost their interest in the game when Pakistan lost the one-day series. Many are quite astonished at the fluctuating performance of the two teams. “How can it happen that a team lost by one inning in Multan and now has won the other test by nine wickets?” asks Sohail Raza, 35.

**But others view things differently and say perhaps Pakistan’s cricket fans have become more mature.

The contrast is with the 1970s when the game was viewed as a war between India and Pakistan. **

"There are people from India who have come to see the matches here and Pakistanis throw chocolates at them.

“This series is being played in a friendly atmosphere,” Naeem Tahir Sheikh, 50, a businessman says.

India’s defeat in Lahore after an overwhelming victory in Multan may not have caused much celebration in Pakistan.

But it has generated some interest in the last test match to be played in Rawalpindi next week, as that will decide the final outcome of the series.

We need a little passion in the game surely.

I think that this increasing indifference is more worrying.

I have a more philosophical view-point on this... today's world is much more depressing to live in than it was 15 years ago... terrorism, war, unemployment, religious fanatism, more disease...... people have too many things on their mind to get overly excited about a test win or loss.

Across the border in India... the public reaction is different only because too much hype is generated through all forms of media about cricket...so much so... that it is said that Vajpayee's electoral prospects hinges on the result of the Indo-Pak series.

Two other factors in my opinion are:

(1) there are more forms of entertainment out there as compared to the days when cricket on PTV/Doordarshan was the only thing running on TV.

(2) Today's cricket is much more competitive. One Win/Loss does not confirm a team's long-term superiority over the other team e.g. India came from behind to level(and then win) the one-day series, Pak seems to be doing the same to India in the Tests.

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We need a little passion in the game surely.

I think that this increasing indifference is more worrying.
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sorry, but aren't those two statements contradicting? maybe you could elaborate on why this indifference worries you? :)

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I have a more philosophical view-point on this... today's world is much more depressing to live in than it was 15 years ago... terrorism, war, unemployment, religious fanatism, more disease...... people have too many things on their mind to get overly excited about a test win or loss.

Two other factors in my opinion are:

(1) there are more forms of entertainment out there as compared to the days when cricket on PTV/Doordarshan was the only thing running on TV.

(2) Today's cricket is much more competitive. One Win/Loss does not confirm a team's long-term superiority over the other team e.g. India came from behind to level(and then win) the one-day series, Pak seems to be doing the same to India in the Tests.
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All the problems you mentioned Some1, were probably just as bad in Pakistan some 15 years ago. Terrorism in Pakistan has really taken the spotlight in international media these days but religious fundamentalism was if anything encouraged at a state level during those times. I also find it hard to believe that unemployment was a smaller problem back then. We did have the Russia Afghan war too in those times. As a Pak fan, for example, I obviously get thrilled when Pakistan wins and crushed when Pak loses. But I've never felt like killing myself or distributed sweets and danced in the streets for a Pak win. I think the only time I would feel that excited would be if Pakistan won the World Cup but nothing else comes close. So, personally, my level of enthusiasm has not changed at all because of the changing state of things around me.

1) For the average person in Pakistan, the avenues of entertainment have not changed much. All the fancy channels are on cable, satellite etc and many of my relatives in Pak (for example) don't have either and are still restricted to PTV.
2) What you're saying is that cricket has become more competitive. If anything this should get people more interested in the game. Yes, you would place less emphasis on a singular win if you knew that the teams were close in terms of skill but your interest in the game should go up and not level off or go down as is the case here.

I agree with the mature thingy. Thank God both nations will take it as a game only. Perhaps, its just a game. Play or watch and enjoy :)

Samby, I am only speculating...may be a bit too much... I admit.

Sambi, may be I can Elaborate my own personal feelings to this and then a follow up to conclude. Are you ready for this ?

ODI's series went well with great little side shows for fun and fare.
Many pockets of good reviews for Pakistan and Its hospitality came into lime light and all of a sudden horizon clears up the smoke screen settles down and now you have a clear vision of people from both sides of the Wagah border, what seemed like waving guns and daggers turned out to be the people waving and cheering for their neighbours and relaitives. The dust settles to reveal the purity of feelings.
Cricket match aur Kabadi match it was all done with true love with a spice to make yor eyes water.
Now here come the spanner in the turning wheel !!!
Rashid Latif, the man who had no sense of timing or the guts to face a reality check ( Great wicket keeper though ).
I believe this was the turning point that put off people from even to follow up on the TV. Missing sense of patriotism and his own greed prompted him to paint this picture. And I guess when the subject dies the painting will fetch more dough. Sounds like a mosad ploy to derail the peace process. ( Too unique and outrgious for the like of ISI & RAW)
Few years back in my teens I watched WWA matches and andre' the giant, hulk hogan, etc. but i QUIT WATCHING after I realized that most these fights were fixed and had no competition value.