Dear msaqibj,
Will asking those questions from Ahmaids and Hindus make Mohammad the greatest man in the history? If Mirza Nasir Ahmad married a teenager at an old age, he was only following Mohammad's footsteps. Why are you complaining. You should be complimentary.
Would some Hindu please tell us about Gandhi. I doubt that a man of his stature (the greatest man in history) will engage with teenagers for sex.
I asked the age of Mirza Nasir Sahib not the explanation....
Second, My question was towards the Marzayeess....
I did not ask any question to any atheists....
So is not it better if others keep their tails out of the matter…..
I think Ayesha RA ( Mother of Monineen) were nine at the time of Rhuksati. According to Islam , today, age of pubity among women is twelve or thirteen years. Is is rough estimate, it differs from place to place.
Can Br. Abdul Malick care to elaborate his point of his question?
[Ain't you the stupid one or what?
Did you just thought you will change the nick and start spreading inflamatory comments again? Jesus christ, get a life or something, will ya? - Roman]
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hey, didn't I tell you next time whole posted will be busted? You don't listen, do you? ]
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msaqibj,
Why are you condemning Ahmadies again? What did we do this time? It was your discussion and it was you guys who were raising the issue to Hazart Ayesha's Age. Personaly I think it's was a private matter,I don't thing marrying somebody is illegal in any society, so why bother complaining on a legal issue. So don't bring Ahmadies in for any reason
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Deepblue,
Thank you for answering the two questions raised earlier.
Hope you are keeping well!
Regards,
I guess, we need to stop blaming each other. Let's discuss the issue without any fight. Also those who are curious about age of Ayesha RA, surely know that fact. Could you elaborate your point, why you are so curious, what is your point, so we can move on.
Vassalam
Islamic idea of legal age of marriage, is based on puberty which can be different among individuals. As far as I know, the indication for puberty in sharia for women, is three menstrual periods. Now, whatever the law is, it was followed in the case we are talking about.
Hazrat Ayesha (RAA) was one of the most respected people around her time (and today). Her knowledge about the sharia, no doubt boosted a lot by her close relationship with Prophet Mohammad (pbuh) and her amazing memory, won her a lot of disciples. I think we can safely assume that for such a bright and towering individual, she must be a special, gifted and mature person even at the age of ten.
My point is, if I have to bash Islam, this is not the argument I'd pick. It doesn't work and I am saying it in completely objective way. Those of you, who have kept record of your ancestors, might want to check at what age your great-grand mothers were married. I am sure, the average age 'll turn out to be 13-16.
queer, there are several hadiths narrated by Hazrat Ayesha (RAA) herself, which basically say how happy, content and proud she was.
Allah knows best.
MTANWEER:
How many times Marzayees have asked this question before?
And how many times they broguht this topic in discussion?
Every time brothers from different back ground answered this topic in details but time to time they bring this back into discussion like a planning and this time again a Marzayee posing as an atheist, marzayee and a woman at the same time under different nicks brought this topic into discussion again.
So if you guys do this again and again then can not I ask a simple question?
Could any Marzayee, please, tell me the age of Mirza Nasir Sahib when he married to a teenage girl?
Could a Hindu, please, tell me the number of the girls, Ghandi slept with, even without marrying to any one of them and still died as a virgin?
These are the simple questions.......
In the first question, the age of Mirza Nasir Sahib is required, no explanation is being sought
In second question the number of the girls is being asked, again no explanation is being sought.
So, if you guys are so keen to know about the ONE particular aspect of our DEAREST Prophet Muhammad (SAW), then it should not be a problem for you to answer this simple question about a religious/political personalities in your faith.
abrar: The reason I raised the question about age was the fact that few days ago NYAhamadi posted up a messege which mentioned the age of Ayasha to be 6. Remeber that one? Everybody here got pissed off the message. Anyway, I however thought that age of Ayasha was not 6 when Mohammad (pbuh) married her. And to my surprise, nobody corrected the age digit in the message, but started bashing NYAhmadi. So that's why I asked to make sure that it was not an overlook on you guys' part.
As far as number of wives are concerned, I was curious since I did not know. But Deepblue's answer raised another question:
After the verse was revealed, was he still married to more than 4 wives at any given point of time? Can someone answer that question. I will elaborate after I will receive the answer.
msaqibj,
Calm down guy, read all the posts and you will know who raised the actual question. It was started by QUEER and he is not Ahmadi, 2nd it was answered by CAMILLA and he/she also not Ahmadi, 3rd same question was raised by Roman and ABDULMALIK and they both are not Ahmadi. If you want to do a service to Islam Calm down and try to Answer queer and other peoples. Don't just go out and start yelling and screaming at Ahmadies, you said several times we did it,give us atleast one post so I can answer that.
Muhammad(SAW) is not only yours, he(SAW) also our dearest to, he dearest to me more than my life, my parents and my family. If you see anything post posted by Ahmadies and I missed it, I Apologize for that otherwise you yourself said about NYAHMADI
Second, My question was towards the Marzayeess....
I did not ask any question to any atheists....
So is not it better if others keep their tails out of the matter…
And about Mirza Nasir Ahmad age, I don't know his age but he did not marry a teenager, the girl was done with Medical degree and was Practicing, she is very close to my wife and never regeret that marriage.
Again, I say marriage is a legal way of getting man and wife together, if somebody has age difference, it does not prove that either one of them is bad.
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Roman:
According to my information the age of Nikah was 7 and age of Marriage was 11 but my information seem different than the brothers here so I would agree with the brothers because at this point, I do not have any source to prove my point.
So ,make this correction that age of Nikah was 6 and age of Marriage was 9 as the brothers wrote above.
This is to keep the record right
Again.
The age of Nikah was 6 but the age of marriage was 9.
The difference between Nikah and Marriage can only be understood by the Muslims because it is a practice among some Muslims that they say Nikah sometimes before the actual Marriage takes place.
The Nikah was done at the age of 6 but the actual marriage was done at the age of 9.
Because of the Nikah age, people keep picking on the Muslims without elaborating the factual difference between Nikah and marriage in Muslim society. All they want is to make the scene.
Yes, Prophet Muhammad (SAW) was still married to more than 4 women even after the verse was revealed.
I hope I answer you question, you did not ask the explanation, that is why I would wait for your next question because I know you have other questions too.......
Surely Roman, you don't think he (pbuh) would pick four and divorce others ? Don't forget that being Umm-ul-Mo'mineen, they all had a very high status. Besides, Prophet Mohammad (pbuh) wasn't the only one who had more than four wives. Though after the revelation, no one married more than four.
Allah knows best.
Thanks msaqib and deepblue... I don't have anymore questions on the topic, not right now.
The reason I asked these questions was mainly that I did not know.
Secondly, deepblue, yes in the light of your answer, it won't make sense to choose 4 and divorce the rest. So that's the end of my curiosity on these specifics.
Deepblue,
Nice to see you drop by. Good contribution as always.
There was a comment earlier on that the prophet (pbuh) is the law and declares what is halaal and what is haraam. This is totally inconsistent with the Quran and again I must stress the importance of not idol worshipping the prophet (pbuh). I love and respect the prophet as much as anyone but we must be logical and analytical in understanding Islam.
"Surely the 'HUKM' (Law and Rule) is for none but Allah." (12:40)
"He does not make any one His associate in His 'HUKM' (Laws and Ruling)." (18:26)
The phrase
These verses make it quite clear that obedience and rule is only for the Law of Allah and no other law. Even a messenger of Allah does not have the authority to make anyone subservient to his personal commands, but obedience and subservience is only for the law of Allah, as the following verse declares:
"It is not meet for a Human Being that Allah should give him the Book and Government and 'Nabuwah' (Direct reception of Divine Messages), then he should say to people: Be subservient to me rather than Allah;