^ yawn... more copy-and-pastes referring to books you've never even seen... let alone read
Ibn Taymiyya: "Certainly, terms like BODY, organs, expanse and such like are terms newly invented [about Allah]. We have related on numerous occasions that the pious predecessors and imams did not speak about such things, neither in negating them or affirming them. Instead, they adjudged that those who spoke about such things were innovators and at length they censured them." (Minhaj al Sunna al Nabawiya 2/134+)
You said that He claimed: "imams.. did not speak about such things, neither in negating them or affirming them"
He lied.
Imam Ahmad Ibn Salamah, Abu Ja^far at*Tahawiyy, who was born in the year 237 after Hijrah, and was one of the Heads of Great Salaf wrote a book called Al-^Aqidah at*Tahawiyyah.
He mentioned that the content of his book is an elucidation of the creed of Ahl as*Sunnah wal Jama^ah, which is the creed of Imam Abu Hanifah, who died in the year 150 after al*Hijrah, and his two companions, Imam Abu Yusuf al-Qadi and Imam Muhammad Ibn al*Hasan ash-Shaybaniyy and others.
He said in his book: *"Allah is supremely clear of all boundaries, extremes, sides, organs and instruments. The six directions do not contain Him--these are attributed to all created things." * Such is the saying of Imam Abu Ja^far who is among the heads of as-Salaf. He explicitly stated that Allah is clear of being contained by the six directions. The six directions are above, below, in front of, behind, right, and left.
In support of brother inuit in his references about ibn taymiahs ugly statments about almight Allah:
In his Tafsir named "an-Nahr", the Grammarian Abu Hayyan al-'Andalusiyy reported about Ibn Taymiyah having this belief. He said: In his handwriting, a book of Ahmad Ibn Taymiyah, who was contemporary with us, which he called "Kitab-ul-^Arsh", I read: Allah sits on al-Kursiyy and has left a space for the Messenger of Allah to sit with Him. At-Taj Muhammad Ibn ^Aliyy Ibn ^Abd-il-Haqq al-Baranbariyy pretended that he is a promoter of his ideas and tricked him, until he took it from him; we read that in it. [The author of "Kashf-uz-Zunun" reported that about him also in Volume 2, page 1438.]
This reporting of Abu Hayyan was omitted from the old printed copy. However, the manuscript confirms it. In his commentary on "as-Sayf-us-Saqil", page 85, az-Zahid al-Kawthariyy said explaining the reason of omitting these statements of Ibn Taymiyah: The editor of as-Sa^adah Printing House told me that he found it very ugly and he omitted it upon printing so that the enemies of al-'Islam would not use it. Then he requested that I record that here to catch up what he missed and out of sincerity to the Muslims.
In "al-Muwafaqah", page 29, Ibn Taymiyah said: Allah, ta^ala, has a hadd no one but Him knows it. One should not imagine that hadd for a purpose in himself, but believe it and leave knowing about it to Allah. His place has a hadd, which is on His ^Arsh above His skies. These are two limits.
In the twenty-fifth volume of "al-Kawakib-ud-Darariyy", which is in the Library of az-Zahiriyyah in Damascus, Ibn Taymiyah said: If Allah willed he would sit on a mosqito, which would carry Him by His power; how about on a large ^Arsh!
And they say "news is unlike seeing" or "seeing is believing"? Some of the scholars mentioned lived during the time of Ibn Taymiah, among them was the great Mujtahid, Imam as-Subkiy, who declared that Ibn Taymiah deviated from his father and from all the scholars of his time and opposed Ahlus-Sunnah in over 60 Mas'ala, Issues in "Ijma^".
“He lied” is what you said about Ibn Taymiyya i might remind you…
so when i quote you something from Ibn Taymiyya’s own work refuting your baseless allegations you call it a lie… obviously you neither want to “see” or “believe”…
^ ... you might want to actually read your references as well... awaiting your scan in the other thread... then we'll see who will show who the truth...
In his Tafsir named "an-Nahr", the Grammarian Abu Hayyan al-'Andalusiyy reported about Ibn Taymiyah having this belief. He said: In his handwriting, a book of Ahmad Ibn Taymiyah, who was contemporary with us, which he called "Kitab-ul-^Arsh", I read: Allah sits on al-Kursiyy and has left a space for the Messenger of Allah to sit with Him. At-Taj Muhammad Ibn ^Aliyy Ibn ^Abd-il-Haqq al-Baranbariyy pretended that he is a promoter of his ideas and tricked him, until he took it from him; we read that in it. [The author of "Kashf-uz-Zunun" reported that about him also in Volume 2, page 1438.]
This reporting of Abu Hayyan was omitted from the old printed copy. However, the manuscript confirms it. In his commentary on "as-Sayf-us-Saqil", page 85, az-Zahid al-Kawthariyy said explaining the reason of omitting these statements of Ibn Taymiyah: The editor of as-Sa^adah Printing House told me that he found it very ugly and he omitted it upon printing so that the enemies of al-'Islam would not use it. Then he requested that I record that here to catch up what he missed and out of sincerity to the Muslims.
In "al-Muwafaqah", page 29, Ibn Taymiyah said: Allah, ta^ala, has a hadd no one but Him knows it. One should not imagine that hadd for a purpose in himself, but believe it and leave knowing about it to Allah. His place has a hadd, which is on His ^Arsh above His skies. These are two limits.
In the twenty-fifth volume of "al-Kawakib-ud-Darariyy", which is in the Library of az-Zahiriyyah in Damascus, Ibn Taymiyah said: If Allah willed he would sit on a mosqito, which would carry Him by His power; how about on a large ^Arsh!
why do u both argue about a man who died long long ago....
neither one of u believes that Allah has a phsyical body, as is the case with majority of the muslims, so why r u fighting????
newton and einstein did not believe in Allah....
we reject this part of their belief and take the good that they have written to benefit us....
if u think there is any such blasphemy in his writing, rule it out, but if he has other good books, well supported by authentic sources, feel free to adhere to it....
^ armughal... Ahmad G can't sleep at night until he's convinced the whole world that Ibn Taymiyya was a deviant heretic... he can't see the wood for the trees
mate i have a question u why in all of ur threads u just copy and paste stuff...why don't u have any personal opinion of ur self...alteast to interpret what is written in the book correctly
Bismillah,
I start by the name of Allah and ask Allah to protect us from misguidance.
Brother: armughal
I agree with you. I already said that at least you he does not defend him while confirming on him what he says from dangerous statments.
But he says no he did not say such things. That's fine as long as one does not believe in his sayings. THAT'S ALL THAT IS IMPORTANT.
But only I'm proving to the whole world as he said, that all of the Scholars of Islam that authored against him and prevailed his deviant sayings had a big reason. One of them is his claim that Allah is a body and sits on the throne and moves from one the throne to the heaven and goes up and down.. etc.
Insha'Allah in the other forum I will show him where he said that.
Allah knows best.
i have noticed that there is a big confusion abt sheikh ul ISlam ibn taymiyyah. either these brothers who attack him hav been taught this frm there "sheikh" or they hav read it somewhere other than the actual book itself n a simple copy n paste job makes them luk like they hav done some research. many people dnt undastand the reality of ibn taymiyyah work. they hvnt read abt his life. they use his prison sentence to say how bad he was. Imam Ahmad ibn hanbal was tortured, shud we say that his teachings were wrong? the people on the truth always get attacked by the people of desires. even the Prophet(saw) suffered harrasement. i read thru abit of the forum n its jus like any other......u get people talkin abt sumthin they have NO knowledge about. if any1 here has tru knowledge then let him come forward n spk 2me abt ibn taymiyyah. il b waitin!
Subhan-Allah where r the brothers that attack Ibn Taymiyyah? i wanna discuss some issues with them! either you settle these issues now or let them b held against u on Qiyamah!
Brother ahmad G you've put out alot of allegations 2wards sum1 who is higly highly knowledgable. why dnt u debate wiv me abt Ibn Taymiyyah and prove to me how deviant he is?