The family of Ali KaramAllaho Wajho at the battle of Karbala

[aqeel123]

Re: The family of Ali KaramAllaho Wajho at the battle of Karbala

@Ibn_Sadique

^** Brother Aqeel **– You have completely ignored to answer/address post 14 where I have quoted Imam Ali (ra) yet you ignore to heed him. All the quotations are from Nahjul Balagha with references!!!

It will be interesting to see how you address each quotation. Do you agree with Imam Ali (ra) or do you follow other than what he says?

This will be answered by itself if you address the questions I have posed above for you?

You are raising the same points as **Ammar Nakhshwani **(the guy in the video) has pointed out. (I saw this video 4 days ago – and it is not convincing at all)

If we suppose that Hz. Ali (ra) indeed use the name Abu Bakr for his best friend Abu Bakar bin Hazim al Ansaari – (same point made by the guy in the video).

And If we suppose that Hz. Ali (ra) indeed use the name Umar for his governor in Bahrain umar bin Mukrin – (same point made by the guy in the video).

And If we suppose that Hz. Ali (ra) indeed use the name Uthman for Uthman bin Mavoon r.a, one of the earlier converts to Islam – (same point made by the guy in the video).

Why don’t Shias follow the example of Hz. Ali (ra) in naming their children Abu Bakr, Umar and Uthman?

Why don’t Shias honour whom Hz. Ali (ra) had honoured by using these names?

The fact that Shias don’t follow Hz. Ali (ra)’s example is that they know the fact that who was honored by these names?

Hz. Ali (ra) used the names – second Shia Imam Hz. Hassan (ra) used the same names for his sons!

Why do Shias hate the names Abu Bakr, Umar and Uthman? If the names were good enough for Hz. Ali (ra) sons; shouldn’t it same for your sons?

By Shias not using these names clearly proves that these are a No No names for Shias! They (Shias) wouldn’t admit it but deep down in their hearts they know for whom these names were really used for!

If Imam Ali (ra) loved these names so should you! Are you not supposed to follow his noble examples willingly without any misgivings?

There is surely ulterior motive in not following his noble ways!

I hope you respond to my post 14.

I didnt want to post on this thread again, but u made an special request so now i have too…
I havent addressed post 14 because i wasnt replying to that…

let me tell you this… We dont hate the names Abu Bakar, Umar or Usman… Matter of fact we dont even hate the name yazeed… You will find references in Usool e kafi where Sahabi of Imam Sadiq a.s is named Yazeed… If you see names of Shuhada of Karabala you will find name yazeed there too.

Now to proof a point that I love All shuhada of Karbala i have to name my kids Yazeed ?
You Honor Personalities by naming ur kids after them… not naming ur kids after their kids… When we name our kids Hassan Hussain or Abbas… its honoring the Personalities Hassan Hussain and Abbas … (a.s); and lets say ur argument does have a weight that shias should follow Imam Ali and name their kids as Imam Ali did… well brother we are doing exactly the same by naming our kids Hassan, Hussain and Abbas…

Now lets come back to Yazeed, Even though their were Yazids in List of 72 shuhada of Karbala… I would prefer not naming my kids Yazeed because when someone says Yazid I think fo Yazid ibn Muaviyah l.a before I think of Yazeed ibne Ziad Mohasir e Kandi or Yazid ibn Maghful Jafi. It doesnt mean Naming your Kid Yazid is forbiden in my religion.

Same applies to Abu Bakar, Umar and Uthman…when someone mentions one of them my mind would go to Abu bakar bin qahafa or Umer bin Khatab or Uthman bin Afaan before it goes to Abu Bakar bin Hazim or Umar bin mukrin or Uthman bin Mavoon… and even if did think of Abu Bakar bin Hazim or Umar bin mukrin or Uthman bin Mavoon… I would still prefer names like Mohammed, Ali, Hassan, Hussain, Jafer, Musa, Raza, Naqi, Mahdi.

Again conclusion is these names might be a NO NO for me and other shias you and i Know, naming kids Umar, Abu Baka,r Uthman or Yazid are not forbidden in shia religion.

I have asked you 1 question before and i will ask that again… If i Claim to have alot of love and respect for you dear brother … To prove it i name my son Ibn-e-Siddiq after you … then wouldnt it be fair for you to do the same and name your kid Aqeel to honor me ? unless offcourse you dont have same amount of love and respect for me or you know i did name my Ibn-e-Siddique but not after you but after someone else i love and respect more than you.