The family of Ali KaramAllaho Wajho at the battle of Karbala

[Ibn_Sadique]

Re: The family of Ali KaramAllaho Wajho at the battle of Karbala

^** Brother Aqeel **– You have completely ignored to answer/address post 14 where I have quoted Imam Ali (ra) yet you ignore to heed him. All the quotations are from Nahjul Balagha with references!!!

It will be interesting to see how you address each quotation. Do you agree with Imam Ali (ra) or do you follow other than what he says?

@aqeel123

When we have historical events like Ghadeer which is not enough to Prove Ali a.s’s authority on Muslims Ummah after Prophet s.a.w…
when We have event like Siffeen which is not enough to prove Muaviyah Wrong…
when we cannot convince people not to use to r.a Yazeed after showing them what happened in Karbala and Shaam…
When we cant convince you that person who recited Prophet s.a.w Nikah was Muslim…

This will be answered by itself if you address the questions I have posed above for you?

@aqeel123

How do u expect us to bring better arguments then them to proof to you that Indeed Hazrat Imam Ali a.s Named his son Abu Bakar after his best friends Abu Bakar bin Hazim al Ansaari, keeping in mind Abu Bakar was not even his realname, it was his Kuneeat (which is not given by parents) his real name was Muhammed al Asghar… Same goes to Abu Bakar bin Qahafa… His real name was Abduallah (in some narrations Ateeq)… Now i Also see Abdullah bin Ali and Abduallah bin Hassan in the list provided in intial post… but no one even argues that Ali might have named his son Abduallah … after Abduallah bin Qahafa. why beucase there were other Abduallahs around at the time of birth ? Well there were other Abu bakars too.
Same goes to Umar… Imam Ali a.s names his son umar after umar bin Mukrin r.a, son of Ume Salama r.a (wife of Prophet s.a.w) from previous marriage. He was Governer of Behrain for Imam Ali ibne Abi Talib a.s. And He named his son after Uthman after Uthman bin Mavoon r.a, one of the earlier converts to Islam.

You are raising the same points as **Ammar Nakhshwani **(the guy in the video) has pointed out. (I saw this video 4 days ago – and it is not convincing at all)

If we suppose that Hz. Ali (ra) indeed use the name Abu Bakr for his best friend Abu Bakar bin Hazim al Ansaari – (same point made by the guy in the video).

And If we suppose that Hz. Ali (ra) indeed use the name Umar for his governor in Bahrain umar bin Mukrin – (same point made by the guy in the video).

And If we suppose that Hz. Ali (ra) indeed use the name Uthman for Uthman bin Mavoon r.a, one of the earlier converts to Islam – (same point made by the guy in the video).

Why don’t Shias follow the example of Hz. Ali (ra) in naming their children Abu Bakr, Umar and Uthman?

Why don’t Shias honour whom Hz. Ali (ra) had honoured by using these names?

The fact that Shias don’t follow Hz. Ali (ra)’s example is that they know the fact that who was honored by these names?

Hz. Ali (ra) used the names – second Shia Imam Hz. Hassan (ra) used the same names for his sons!

Why do Shias hate the names Abu Bakr, Umar and Uthman? If the names were good enough for Hz. Ali (ra) sons; shouldn’t it same for your sons?

By Shias not using these names clearly proves that these are a No No names for Shias! They (Shias) wouldn’t admit it but deep down in their hearts they know for whom these names were really used for!

If Imam Ali (ra) loved these names so should you! Are you not supposed to follow his noble examples willingly without any misgivings?

There is surely ulterior motive in not following his noble ways!

I hope you respond to my post 14.