The Economist: A Great deal of ruin

[ravage]

Re: The Economist: A Great deal of ruin

@gora

Ravage, I never stated America was immune from anti-Muslim bigotry at all.

All I stated is that there is a claim among Pakistanis in the U.S. that America is a evil nation and is somehow oppressive and continues to wage a war on Islam. And again, let’s be realistic: it’s safer to be a Muslim in America than to be a Christian in either Pakistan or Iraq. That’s a fact.

Why is the last sentence relevant? Strikes me as what Southern segregationists used to say about blacks in America… its much better to be black in America as a slave than to be a black in Africa. Why is this comparison justified?

Lets remember that even if the US is not an evil nation, much of the havoc that is happening in the Muslim world seems to have a US presence. Lets remember that while 3000 of yours died on 9/11, 30,000 of ours in Pakistan have died since you decided that it was ‘better to fight them over there instead of fighting them over here’. Why is it better to fight them ‘over there’? Possibly because of all the sht that gets stirred when American invades a country doesnt have to wash onto your land but ours.

You mourn over your 3000 every ****ing year. You have demonized every Muslim since then unless he or she is a ‘moderate’ Muslim. And our deaths are just a matter of course. They happen because we deserve it. They happen because we are on the wrong side. 30,000 have died in Pakistan since the american invasion of Afghanistan. As much as I hate the Taliban (and you can go through my posts on this forum to see how often I have argued against Taliban, and how often I have argued with those who lay all the blame of the Taliban on American actions) lets remember that your country has foisted onto us a war we did not ask for, continues to engage in geo-political douchebaggery that results in many 9/11s over and over, and it has absolutely NO resonance in the American conscience because its OK for a president to say that we fight them over ‘there’ because we dont want to fight them here. Because lives dont count over there for you. When you live in a world where American lives are also described as collateral damage, then talk to us about what is good and what is evil.

And if Pakistanis in the U.S. are upset over discrimination, perhaps if they were far more vocal in any reports of terrorist plots involving Pakistani-Americans as was the case in Times Square and D.C. instead of engaging in the usual conspiracy rhetoric that has become a common theme lately, the discrimination would cease to exist. Hate to say it, but Pakistani-Americans should do more in order to improve their image. I don’t see Westerners wanting to go to Pakistan, but India instead, to give an example.

So, specifically, what would you have them do. And you didnt engage with my the criticism of this argument anyway. Why is this collectivism exclusive to Muslims? Why arent whites expected to answer for the acts of KKK? Why is the continued existence of KKK not constantly reminded to whites, and why are whites not held to be by default KKK unless they actively assert that they are not?