The Economist: A Great deal of ruin

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Re: The Economist: A Great deal of ruin

@gora

Because in America, justice is often served whenever anti-Muslim crimes occur. The Muslim cabbie that got stabbed and nearly was murdered by a fat white boy, he got the book thrown at him. The 12 year old Muslim girl that was assaulted by another 12 year old in Queens? Arrested and serving time in juvie right now.

Do such forms of justice exist for minority groups in Pakistan? A country that claims to be an Islamic republic? At least I am aware that in an Islamic state, minority groups are to be protected but does that really exist over there? I hear Pakistani Americans always bringing up how Islam is against oppression and protects minorities, but then the same clerics and mullahs that are supposed to be the shining examples of your faith having no problem whipping big crowds into a frenzy and murder Christians like in Gojra. Pakistani-Americans complain about drone attacks but say little about the deteriorating conditions for minority groups in their own country. You can’t expect anyone to take their claims of “persecution” seriously when they won’t comment on the worsening situation in their own country.

Ah. So Pakistani-Americans “own country” is not the country they are citizens of now, but the country that they, or their parents or grandparents came from. I suppose you expect Irish Americans to expect a certain level of violence as the norm, since look at what the IRA was doing. Or the cast of Jersey Shore should expect to be treated in ways comparable to how the mafia treats its victims?

Simple, the Taliban were a byproduct of your own government in their insistence on having a puppet government to exert its influence in a neighboring country that was problematic for all of its neighbors. Also remember that 35,000 Hazaras were also brutally slaughtered by an entity that Pakistanis enthusiastically supported because they were seen as upholding God’s will.

The American invasion would simply not have happened had the Taliban oblige, their failure to do so is rather self-explanatory.

A war that you did not ask for? Perhaps your government should not have backed militants when it was convenient for them in Kashmir and elsewhere. What will Pakistan do when even China will get fed up with Pakistan’s inability to crush extremists that create problems for its Uighur minority?

Right.. the US had absolutely no role in creating the basket case that was Afghanistan right? If you wish to go down that road, settling blame is abitrary. Osama Bin Laden also gives his reasons for why Americans deserve to die based on American foreign policy, do you give that credence?

The 3,000 that died in WTC were innocent of any ****ty policy that the US has taken on. And the 30,000 that have died in our country are innocent of whatever policies Pakistan was taking on. You do not get to say they deserved to die.

Do Pakistanis themselves care for American and British lives? Would they be concerned if al-Qaeda was attacking them solely? If Pakistanis don’t have a problem with the Taliban, then does this also mean they wouldn’t have a problem with al-Qaeda setting up bases in Pakistan to bomb American and British cities? Look at the Times Square bomber and the London bombers. The former was trained in Pakistan while the latter’s funerals in their birth country had thousands of attendees.

Firstly, every country cares about its own more than it does about others. But nobody has the right to write off another country’s dead as par for the course. If Pakistanies did it, I would condemn that. At the moment, it is Americans who routinely dismiss non-American lives as collateral damage. At best you are drawing equivalence of a stated policy of your country, with the behaviour of extremists in our countries.

Collectivism is convenient for Muslims when it comes to citing how Muslims are suffering around the world, but somehow it’s criticized by you for being exclusive to Muslims now? You can’t have your cake and eat it.

Difference there is its voluntary. Some Muslim Americans choose to highlight how Muslims are suffering around the world. Most dont. Some Muslim Americans identify with the suffering of certain Muslims, they may not necessarily feel any kinship to Faisal Shehzad.