The Economist: A Great deal of ruin

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Re: The Economist: A Great deal of ruin

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Why is the last sentence relevant? Strikes me as what Southern segregationists used to say about blacks in America… its much better to be black in America as a slave than to be a black in Africa. Why is this comparison justified?

Because in America, justice is often served whenever anti-Muslim crimes occur. The Muslim cabbie that got stabbed and nearly was murdered by a fat white boy, he got the book thrown at him. The 12 year old Muslim girl that was assaulted by another 12 year old in Queens? Arrested and serving time in juvie right now.

Do such forms of justice exist for minority groups in Pakistan? A country that claims to be an Islamic republic? At least I am aware that in an Islamic state, minority groups are to be protected but does that really exist over there? I hear Pakistani Americans always bringing up how Islam is against oppression and protects minorities, but then the same clerics and mullahs that are supposed to be the shining examples of your faith having no problem whipping big crowds into a frenzy and murder Christians like in Gojra. Pakistani-Americans complain about drone attacks but say little about the deteriorating conditions for minority groups in their own country. You can’t expect anyone to take their claims of “persecution” seriously when they won’t comment on the worsening situation in their own country.

Apples to oranges my friend.

Lets remember that even if the US is not an evil nation, much of the havoc that is happening in the Muslim world seems to have a US presence. Lets remember that while 3000 of yours died on 9/11, 30,000 of ours in Pakistan have died since you decided that it was ‘better to fight them over there instead of fighting them over here’. Why is it better to fight them ‘over there’? Possibly because of all the sht that gets stirred when American invades a country doesnt have to wash onto your land but ours.

Simple, the Taliban were a byproduct of your own government in their insistence on having a puppet government to exert its influence in a neighboring country that was problematic for all of its neighbors. Also remember that 35,000 Hazaras were also brutally slaughtered by an entity that Pakistanis enthusiastically supported because they were seen as upholding God’s will.

You mourn over your 3000 every ****ing year. You have demonized every Muslim since then unless he or she is a ‘moderate’ Muslim. And our deaths are just a matter of course. They happen because we deserve it. They happen because we are on the wrong side. 30,000 have died in Pakistan since the american invasion of Afghanistan. As much as I hate the Taliban (and you can go through my posts on this forum to see how often I have argued against Taliban, and how often I have argued with those who lay all the blame of the Taliban on American actions) lets remember that your country has foisted onto us a war we did not ask for, continues to engage in geo-political douchebaggery that results in many 9/11s over and over, and it has absolutely NO resonance in the American conscience because its OK for a president to say that we fight them over ‘there’ because we dont want to fight them here.

The American invasion would simply not have happened had the Taliban oblige, their failure to do so is rather self-explanatory.

A war that you did not ask for? Perhaps your government should not have backed militants when it was convenient for them in Kashmir and elsewhere. What will Pakistan do when even China will get fed up with Pakistan’s inability to crush extremists that create problems for its Uighur minority?

Because lives dont count over there for you. When you live in a world where American lives are also described as collateral damage, then talk to us about what is good and what is evil.

Do Pakistanis themselves care for American and British lives? Would they be concerned if al-Qaeda was attacking them solely? If Pakistanis don’t have a problem with the Taliban, then does this also mean they wouldn’t have a problem with al-Qaeda setting up bases in Pakistan to bomb American and British cities? Look at the Times Square bomber and the London bombers. The former was trained in Pakistan while the latter’s funerals in their birth country had thousands of attendees.

So, specifically, what would you have them do. And you didnt engage with my the criticism of this argument anyway. Why is this collectivism exclusive to Muslims? Why arent whites expected to answer for the acts of KKK? Why is the continued existence of KKK not constantly reminded to whites, and why are whites not held to be by default KKK unless they actively assert that they are not?

Collectivism is convenient for Muslims when it comes to citing how Muslims are suffering around the world, but somehow it’s criticized by you for being exclusive to Muslims now? You can’t have your cake and eat it.