There is Something about Space that “THEY” Don’t Want You to Know …
The Earth is NOT Moving!!
The Sun, Moon and Stars are going around a stationary Earth just as observed and just as the Bible (and Koran) says,
(Sun 24hrs… Moon 24hrs 50min 28sec… Stars 23hrs 56min 4sec… all east-to-west).
Above was quoted from earthdeception [all one word] website by Bernard B,
found using Yahoo or Bing search engines, suppressed on some other search engines.
I have checked the website at (Moving-Earth DECEPTION!!)](http://sites.google.com/site/earthdeception/)
and there is no mention of Quran. Why did you add Quran here?
Re: The Earth is NOT Moving!! - Bible/Koran Geocentrism
there r many other things that these scientists have fooled us in to....
I have checked the website at (Moving-Earth DECEPTION!!) and there is no mention of Quran. Why did you add Quran here?
Thanks kchughtai for posting the link, the Koran is mentioned on
homepage-ten at the bottom.
This is nonsense no such thing is stated in the Quran i do not understand why u did mention the Quran. What is your agenda here mate?
Only two posts and already stirring controversy hmmmmm did u become member just to do that? Did u read the Quran urself or u just love to copy n paste?
since u love to browse and read i would suggest u the following link and i hope u do read it
I have checked the website at (Moving-Earth DECEPTION!!) and there is no mention of Quran. Why did you add Quran here?
by Marshall Hall:
The Koran--Like the Bible--Refutes Copernicanism
(Note: The Earth is not a planet)
The relevant passages and page numbers I found in the translation of the Koran cited above are as follows:
The Merciful -p.19 - “The sun and the moon pursue their ordered course.”
The Cave - p.91 - “You might have seen the rising sun decline to the right of their cavern, and, as it set, go past them on the left, while they stayed within...”
Abraham - p.101 - “He has created rivers for your benefit, and the sun and the moon, which steadfastly pursue their courses....”
Thunder - p.140 - “Allah...forced the sun and the moon into His service, each pursuing an appointed course....”
Ya Sin - p.172 #1 - “The sun hastens to its resting place: its course is laid for it by the Mighty One, the All-knowing.”
Ya Sin - p.172 #2 - “The sun is not allowed to overtake the moon.... Each in its own orbit runs.”
The Creator - p.176 - “He has forced the sun and the moon into His service, each running for an appointed term.”
Luqman - p.187 - “He has forced the sun and the moon into His service, each running for an appointed term.” (Same as written in The Creator, p.176.)
The Hordes - p.273 - “He made the sun and the moon obedient to Him, each running for an appointed term.”
The Prophets - p.292 - “It was He who created the night and the day, the sun and the moon: each moves swiftly in an orbit of its own.”
The Cow - p.352 - “Allah brings the sun up from the east....”
Moving-Earth DECEPTION!! link was posted
by kchughtai above. Thanks
Re: The Earth is NOT Moving!! - Bible/Koran Geocentrism
does sun not move? or does sun have its own course?
the fact that sun has its own course does not mean that the earth does not move.
by Marshall Hall:
The Koran--Like the Bible--Refutes Copernicanism
(Note: The Earth is not a planet)
The relevant passages and page numbers I found in the translation of the Koran cited above are as follows:
The Merciful -p.19 - “The sun and the moon pursue their ordered course.”
The Cave - p.91 - “You might have seen the rising sun decline to the right of their cavern, and, as it set, go past them on the left, while they stayed within...”
Abraham - p.101 - “He has created rivers for your benefit, and the sun and the moon, which steadfastly pursue their courses....”
Thunder - p.140 - “Allah...forced the sun and the moon into His service, each pursuing an appointed course....”
Ya Sin - p.172 #1 - “The sun hastens to its resting place: its course is laid for it by the Mighty One, the All-knowing.”
Ya Sin - p.172 #2 - “The sun is not allowed to overtake the moon.... Each in its own orbit runs.”
The Creator - p.176 - “He has forced the sun and the moon into His service, each running for an appointed term.”
Luqman - p.187 - “He has forced the sun and the moon into His service, each running for an appointed term.” (Same as written in The Creator, p.176.)
The Hordes - p.273 - “He made the sun and the moon obedient to Him, each running for an appointed term.”
The Prophets - p.292 - “It was He who created the night and the day, the sun and the moon: each moves swiftly in an orbit of its own.”
The Cow - p.352 - “Allah brings the sun up from the east....”
Moving-Earth DECEPTION!! link was posted by kchughtai above. Thanks
How do the quoted verses prove that Quran supports geocentricism?
I could quote verses that would prove it to the contrary
Sun is moving. this is a fact proven by contemporary science. so what is the point?
QURAN neither supports GEOCENTRICISM nor does it support HELIOCENTRISM
How do the quoted verses prove that Quran supports geocentricism? I could quote verses that would prove it to the contrary Sun is moving. this is a fact proven by contemporary science. so what is the point? QURAN neither supports GEOCENTRICISM nor does it support HELIOCENTRISM
kchughtai,
Respectfully,
You can't have your cake and eat it too (you can't eat all of your cake and still have it left on your plate also).
Show me the verses that disprove Geocentrism.
If the Koran is a book of truth then it can't be saying polar opposites
about a doctrine or truth of creation.
Contemporary science incorrectly says Earth orbits a stationary sun, that is a FACT they say.
Who do you believe? Contemporary secular scientists
that change their minds every 5 years or the unchangable truth
in the Koran?
The Holy Bible and Sacred Koran are similar in
many respects, it's the Jews that have started a war
between Christians and Muslims so they can profit
and take more control of these two groups. Christians and Muslims must realize they are being tricked and unite to fight the Jews false propaganda derived from their triumveate evil books:
Zohar/Kabbala/Talmud
Re: The Earth is NOT Moving!! - Bible/Koran Geocentrism
How do you explain the earth's magnetic field if earth does not rotate on its axis?
How do you explain the earth's magnetic field if earth does not rotate on its axis?
Magnetism is caused by the movement of the aether which is rotating around the stationary Earth.
Have you been to the earthdeception website?
Re: The Earth is NOT Moving!! - Bible/Koran Geocentrism
Peace AntiPharisee
The earthdeception website ... I have not been to it and I don't intend to. It is not something that I consider an authority for me to do so.
Yes I will accept contemporary science over any outdated explanation you may bring, why? Well, it is because the Bible and the Qur'an are not books of science they are from the Book of guidance and they hold in them truths that cannot be undone by science, but when it comes to explanations they altogether become limited for our use not because they are inaccurate, but rather because our minds are unable to extract physical truths from them in context with our scientific reasoning abilities.
See for yourself ... there is not a single scientific concept that can refute the Qur'an. Geocentricity is not a Qur'anic concept it is erroneously applied to the Qur'an however.
Peace AntiPharisee
The earthdeception website ... I have not been to it and I don't intend to. It is not something that I consider an authority for me to do so.
Yes I will accept contemporary science over any outdated explanation you may bring, why? Well, it is because the Bible and the Qur'an are not books of science they are from the Book of guidance and they hold in them truths that cannot be undone by science, but when it comes to explanations they altogether become limited for our use not because they are inaccurate, but rather because our minds are unable to extract physical truths from them in context with our scientific reasoning abilities.
See for yourself ... there is not a single scientific concept that can refute the Qur'an. Geocentricity is not a Qur'anic concept it is erroneously applied to the Qur'an however.
As for the Geocentrism/Heliocentricity controversy, the proof for Geocentrism is that it is scientific. The fact that it is in the Bible/Koran (when the whole world has thrown out Geocentrism) proves the Bible/Koran has credibility as the source of scientific truth even if the “science establishment” and the whole world has accepted the Kabbalist Big Bang evolution model (which would not and can not exist without heliocentricity). True science proves the Bible/Koran, not the other way around. The Copernican Model consists basically of nine assumptions, all of which are false science.
If the Bible/Koran is not literal then you can't "know" what God's truth is until you first learn what "the truth" really **is...... and if that is the case then you can't rely on Scripture for truth, since you can't know it to be truth until after you learn what the truth really is!?... You can't go outside the Word of God to understand the Word of God and then claim that the Word of God is the ultimate authority for truth, because the ultimate authority would then be whatever "authority" that "interpreted" for you what the Word of God "really meant".
As for the Geocentrism/Heliocentricity controversy, the proof for Geocentrism is that it is scientific. The fact that it is in the Bible/Koran (when the whole world has thrown out Geocentrism) proves the Bible/Koran has credibility as the source of scientific truth even if the “science establishment” and the whole world has accepted the Kabbalist Big Bang evolution model (which would not and can not exist without heliocentricity). True science proves the Bible/Koran, not the other way around. The Copernican Model consists basically of nine assumptions, all of which are false science.
If the Bible/Koran is not literal then you can't "know" what God's truth is until you first learn what "the truth" really **is...... and if that is the case then you can't rely on Scripture for truth, since you can't know it to be truth until after you learn what the truth really is!?... You can't go outside the Word of God to understand the Word of God and then claim that the Word of God is the ultimate authority for truth, because the ultimate authority would then be whatever "authority" that "interpreted" for you what the Word of God "really meant".
Peace AntiPharisee
Actually the heliocentric model is just as wrong as the geocentric model. Science of today has modified both of these you'll need to modify your text on your rebuttal pro forma, it seems your source has not been updated for about 40 years.
Current models work off the galactocentric model but even this is acknowledged as an assumption.
About your reasoning ... yes it is true ... one needs truth before one may be able to discern truth. The Qur'an does not claim to reveal truth to people. Rather it claims to Guide those who already fear God. In fact these are the first words after the Opening Chapter.
It is a Book that requires us to believe with 'faith' in it, but it does not oblige us to lift it out and apply it to the world in the frame of reference of our choosing. Rather we are constrained because we must search and find and what we find must lead us back to scripture so we can be guided. It is not intended to be a means to gain "power" over the world. This is not the purpose of scripture.
There is a similarity between you and those atheists who falsify scripture just like there is a similarity between Christians and Jews. You and atheists both say that scripture says geocentric whereas science says otherwise ... Also, Christians and Jews both say that Jesus claimed to be God, whereas Muslims say that he was taken out of context and never made such claims. Just as Jews reject the authenticity upon the alleged claim the Christians accept the false understanding likewise just as atheists reject the authenticity of scripture upon the alleged claims you accept the false understanding.
There is a correct understanding and that is what satisfies the reason whilst doing so without betraying the scripture. This is the condition we need to seek not the one that is intentionally at loggerheads with science and reason. Faith does not infer anti-reason rather it infers meta-reason. Just because it is a belief system it does not have to betray science. Rather the Qur'an tells us to look to creation and seek for the signs of God.
Re: The Earth is NOT Moving!! - Bible/Koran Geocentrism
I didn’t see the signs of a healthy discussion here when this thread was opened even before a single reply.