Re: Mush Government pressuring doctors not to give reason of BB's death
allow a post mortem, and then whoever is lying needs to be hung upside down and beaten with chappals.
Re: The Doctors under pressure (MERGED)
Its very VERY VERY simple. All that needs to be done, is to exhume the body of Benazir....its that simple...all this controversy will come to an end.
But Zardari and his corrupt **... **goons will not want this, because they want controversy, they want drama, they want anarchy, and they wasnt destablization.
Ask yourself, If the government had something to hide, why would they promote exhuming the body of Benazir?
Ask yourself, if Zardari is sooo sure that Benazir was shot, why does he not exhume the body? If it's exhumed and it turns out Zardari is telling the truth...it will be MASSIVE victory for the PPP. Why would he not want that?
Zardari claims, he won't exhume the body because he wants to protect the honour of Benazir. Well, I think Zardari the **..., **should protect the dignity of the nation. By asking for international help, he is basically calling, Pakistani's incompetent, irresponsible, and liars...thats what the rest of the world is thinking of us, as being.
It's very simple, Either Zardari shuts up and stops whining, or he exhumes the body, so the truth can be out infront of everybody.
Re: The Doctors under pressure (MERGED)
the reason BB died was that she stuck her head out of the car right when the shooter and bomber were right next to her car. the shooter and bomber getting in, being so close to teh car and her sticking the head out is what is important and need to be focused on.
Re: Mush Government pressuring doctors not to give reason of BB’s death
Re: Mush Government pressuring doctors not to give reason of BB's death
so this does not say what 'object' killed her.
Re: Mush Government pressuring doctors not to give reason of BB's death
I don't know whether there is a coverup or not.
But the trauma to her head as written by the doctors in medical report above is very severe. It cannot be caused by someone trying to duck under or by a free fall onto side of the sun roof.
Note that the skull of fractured into many pieces and some embedded into the brain.
The whole thing is very very confusing.
Re: Mush Government pressuring doctors not to give reason of BB's death
so the doctor report says nothing about a bullet, nor a lever, just head trauma.
they dont mention bullet entry and exit wounds to her head or to the neck.
maybe the bullet is lodged in the skull, that would mean there is no exit wound. but woudn't the bullet then show up on xray?
good to have a doctor around who can have an educated opinion on these things
Re: Mush Government pressuring doctors not to give reason of BB's death
The bullet shud be evident on the X-Ray if it was lodged inside the brain. It can be identified by its shape and it is more radio-opaque compared to the bone.
Re: Mush Government pressuring doctors not to give reason of BB's death
would a bullet entry and exit points be evident on an xray as well? Thanks
Re: Mush Government pressuring doctors not to give reason of BB's death
As I said before PML (Q) and intelligence services/military killed BB. Such desperate and foolish moves by the government make the whole thing look like a cover-up and merely confirm my suspicions.
Re: Mush Government pressuring doctors not to give reason of BB's death
I dont understand why someone would try to draw further attention by making stupid claims that could be easily refuted.
and the absence of a bullet in the skull, and no mention of bullet exit wounds is further confusing.
if the bullet stayed in her head it would show up on xray, if it hit her and came out, then on the video you would see blood splatter come out, the exit wounds of bullets are rather large compared to an entry wound.
iconoclast is a doc here so he may know more, I have been hunting before and seen entry and exit wounds
unless the 2 fractures on teh skull are the exit and entry wounds, theya re veryclose and the angle is a bit strange but could it be possible?
there is no mention of anything else in doc report, maybe the alleged neck injury is the entry point and the head fracture the exit point,
Re: Mush Government pressuring doctors not to give reason of BB's death
Iconoclast: Thanks for the report. If report you posted is true, what government is saying is true too. Details of the wound and its surroundings … Read carefully.
Wound measuring about 5 cms x 3 cms, just above pinna of **right ear*. **Edges were irregular. No surrounding wound or blackening was seen. There was a big boggy swelling around the wound. … … … Sharp bone edges were felt in wound. **No foreign body was felt in the wound. *
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Bleeding from both the ears was seen, more so from the right ear. Slight trickle of Blood was seen from right nostril also. Blood mixed with secretions was seen in the oral cavity also. Detailed external examination of the body did not reveal any other external injury
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**Cause of Death: **Open head injury with depressed skull fracture, leading to Cardiopulmonary arrest.
Now think … what side was the injury?
Just above Pinna of right ear.
Where the fire was shot?
From her left side.
Is there any injury in the report other than above injury?
No.
Now think how can bullet hit just above right ear when bullet was fired from left side?
Thus, most obvious answer is that, she must have hit right from something side of her head while ducking.
What is the injury like … Not a bullet hole but 5 cms x 3 cms … (much bigger than a bullet hole of any type) … and there was big boggy swelling around the wound (shows that cause of wound is hitting something) … no foreign body was in the wound … shows nothing that hit was present in the wound. This seems exactly what government said …. No bullet but cause of death is hitting something ... as government claims.
I think government is now trying to satisfy people because they must have realised that Pakistani masses do not use their head and are mostly emotional. So, when PPP started playing with people's emotions, government decided to accept whatever PPP want to claim, so people could become happy and stop PPP making it a issue, as government do not lose anything from it.
Re: Doctors being forced to lie to cover up mode of Benazir murder
How does having a gunshot wound or not change the facts of the matter that she is dead due to lack of security that her own security people failed to provide BB?.
BB's scurity guards (ex convicts as stated by Zardari) are to be blamed as much as BB for sticking her head out.
The gunshot wound does change the fact, as it was stated by Farooq Naik (BB's lawyer and senior PPP official) that there was a bullet wound in BB's Abdomen. Who shot her in the Abdomen? Who else was in the car? Why Zardari is not allowing an autopsy? What does he have to hide?
Re: Doctors being forced to lie to cover up mode of Benazir murder
BB's scurity guards (ex convicts as stated by Zardari) are to be blamed as much as BB for sticking her head out.
Ya JFK is to blame for his killing too, for not travelling in a bullet proof car while riding through the roads of Dallas.
Re: Doctors being forced to lie to cover up mode of Benazir murder
Ya JFK is to blame for his killing too, for not travelling in a bullet proof car while riding through the roads of Dallas.
Is the bullet in BB's Abdomen the so called 'Magic Bullet' - as referred to in JFK's killing? Does Zardari have something to hide for not allowing Autopsy?
Re: Doctors being forced to lie to cover up mode of Benazir murder
Is the bullet in BB's Abdomen the so called 'Magic Bullet' - as referred to in JFK's killing? Does Zardari have something to hide for not allowing Autopsy?
Why are you so interested in Zaradari's current enactments?? When you can see the obvious eveidence of someone latching over and killing her, seen on the videos all over?
Re: Mush Government pressuring doctors not to give reason of BB's death
Iconoclast: Thanks for the report. If report you posted is true, what government is saying is true too. Details of the wound and its surroundings … Read carefully.
Wound measuring about 5 cms x 3 cms, just above pinna of **right ear*. **Edges were irregular. No surrounding wound or blackening was seen. There was a big boggy swelling around the wound. … … … Sharp bone edges were felt in wound. **No foreign body was felt in the wound. * **…
Bleeding from both the ears was seen, more so from the right ear. Slight trickle of Blood was seen from right nostril also. Blood mixed with secretions was seen in the oral cavity also. Detailed external examination of the body did not reveal any other external injury ]… **Cause of Death: **Open head injury with depressed skull fracture, leading to Cardiopulmonary arrest.
Now think … what side was the injury? Just above Pinna of right ear.
Where the fire was shot? From her left side.
Is there any injury in the report other than above injury? No.
Now think how can bullet hit just above right ear when bullet was fired from left side?
Thus, most obvious answer is that, she must have hit right from something side of her head while ducking.
What is the injury like … Not a bullet hole but 5 cms x 3 cms … (much bigger than a bullet hole of any type) … and there was big boggy swelling around the wound (shows that cause of wound is hitting something) … no foreign body was in the wound … shows nothing that hit was present in the wound. This seems exactly what government said …. No bullet but cause of death is hitting something ... as government claims.
I think government is now trying to satisfy people because they must have realised that Pakistani masses do not use their head and are mostly emotional. So, when PPP started playing with people's emotions, government decided to accept whatever PPP want to claim, so people could become happy and stop PPP making it a issue, as government do not lose anything from it.
The problem with government theory is that the severity of the injury is way too much more than can occur while ducking. Her head is a most 1 foot above the sunroof and even if she banged her head on the sunroof with full force it can never cause a fracture severe enough that wud result in her brain coming out and bone fragments lodged inside her brain.
Re: Mush Government pressuring doctors not to give reason of BB's death
would a bullet entry and exit points be evident on an xray as well? Thanks
Yes tell tale signs of entry and exit wound shud be evident on X-ray.
But entry and exit wounds can be seen by examining the head too.
The wound described in report cannot be an entry wound, which is usually regular in outline and small.
Re: Mush Government pressuring doctors not to give reason of BB's death
I dont understand why someone would try to draw further attention by making stupid claims that could be easily refuted.
and the absence of a bullet in the skull, and no mention of bullet exit wounds is further confusing.
if the bullet stayed in her head it would show up on xray, if it hit her and came out, then on the video you would see blood splatter come out, the exit wounds of bullets are rather large compared to an entry wound.
iconoclast is a doc here so he may know more, I have been hunting before and seen entry and exit wounds
unless the 2 fractures on teh skull are the exit and entry wounds, theya re veryclose and the angle is a bit strange but could it be possible?
there is no mention of anything else in doc report, maybe the alleged neck injury is the entry point and the head fracture the exit point,
The head fracture is unlikely to be an exit wound, bcoz if it was an exit wound there should be an outward splaying of the skull bones, but, the report mentions that skull bones were depressed "inwards", suggesting a force from out to in.
Re: The Doctors under pressure (MERGED)
^ That report is flawed....as these doctors have been saying all along.They were pressurised to give out some report.