The direct US involvement in Pakistani internal politics.

I think its fair to say the US will decide who rules Pakistan next and not the voters of Pakistan. We can all thank General Presedent Mushrraf for this.

http://thenews.jang.com.pk/top_story_detail.asp?Id=10118

By Muhammad Saleh Zaafir

ISLAMABAD: The make or break 48-hour chronometer has started ticking. The Presidency and the Supreme Court are supposed to be the epicenter of the events that will determine the course of the country’s political future in the ongoing tug-of-war between the two embattled pillars of the state. Prime Minister Shaukat Aziz, who is eagerly looking for an inkling of the keenly awaited verdict of the apex court, has given assurance that ‘the government will respect the court judgement’.

Highly placed diplomatic sources revealed to The News here that President General Pervez Musharraf’s interlocutor on national and international back-channel diplomacy Tariq Aziz has halted, at least for the time being, interaction with former prime minister Benazir Bhutto. The US assistant secretary of state for South and Central Asian Affairs Richard Boucher has informally ‘replaced’ Tariq Aziz because the parties failed to show the desired results in their recent back-channel parleys.

The US Secretary of State Dr Condoleezza Rice has been personally monitoring the developments and obtaining reports about the progress made in the negotiations. Richard Boucher is directly reporting to the secretary of state and he has held four meetings with former prime minister Benazir Bhutto in recent weeks, first in New York and then in London and Dubai and now again in Dubai. He visited Pakistan thrice without schedule in recent days. Some quarters here call him the American counterpart of TA (Tariq Aziz). The US deputy secretary of state, John Negroponte, who visited the region last week spent about six days here, and held an important meeting with the PPP leaders including its Central Secretary Information Ms Sherri Rehman before returning home. He earlier had lengthy discussions with some stalwarts of the Shujaat Muslim League. He too is reporting about the developments to Dr Rice, the sources said. The Americans are very keen to see continuation of General Pervez Musharraf in office. They are also interested in seeing the General in place with his power intact.

Tariq Aziz who is also secretary of the powerful National Security Council (NSC) is the architect of this process and he had held a very important round of talks with Benazir Bhutto last month in London. The President’s Chief of Staff General Hamid Javed and the Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) Chief Lt General Ashfaq Pervez Kiani assisted him in the talks. Later, TA continued the dialogue in Dubai but the two sides could not reach any conclusion.

At this stage Shujaat Muslim League threw a spanner in the works and created hurdles in the way of further talks with active assistance from some invisible faces in the establishment and leaders of the Muttahidda Majlis-e-Amal (MMA). As a result, there were no talks between the two sides for about two weeks. The Americans were concerned about the deadlock and they intervened through Richard Boucher.

The capital remained abuzz with speculation that Tariq Aziz has again left Friday morning for Dubai to clinch a deal with Benazir Bhutto at the eleventh hour, just before her announcement about her return journey. The fact of the matter is that Tariq Aziz remained in his office throughout the day and he has no plan to undertake any foreign trip in the next three days. Talking to this scribe on Friday afternoon he said, “Please correct yourself that I am here and I have no plan to leave the country in the next two days.”

Tariq Aziz made it clear that right now no one from the government is talking to Benazir Bhutto and no official has planned to go to Dubai for the purpose. “Negotiations are not taking place with Benazir Bhutto currently but it does not essentially mean that any stumbling block has come in the way of the dialogue”, he said. Tariq Aziz parried a query about the time schedule for the resumption of talks. He is unhappy with some leaders of the Shujaat League for their opposition to the talks with PPP.

In another important development, the Election Commission of Pakistan has deferred the announcement of the schedule for the election of the President. The timeframe for the holding of the election has started today (Saturday) and as per tradition the commission takes 22 to 26 days for the completion of the process. Kunwar Muhammad Khan Dilshad, secretary of the commission, announced two days back that the schedule of the election would be announced within ‘two to three days’. He has now said that he would not be able to give any hint about the schedule before Monday next and again it could be announced in the later part of the next week when 26-days will be still available. He could not prove his point but insisted that the commission will have sufficient time to complete the election process.

Talking informally to this scribe on Friday evening he said that the National Assembly could not be dissolved once the schedule is announced and the nomination papers by the candidates are filed.

In the meanwhile sources have pointed out that the discussion regarding the future strategy of the ruling alliance for the election or any other ‘venture’ has shifted to Lahore. President General Pervez Musharraf visited Lahore early this week and Prime Minister Shaukat Aziz will go to Lahore tomorrow (Sunday). The prime minister rarely leaves Islamabad on Sundays. The sources indicated that the government is contemplating some drastic action to save itself from unprecedented humiliation since it cannot afford to act once the ‘disqualification’ verdict is pronounced. Something unusual is in the offing and that too within the next 48 hours.

Re: The direct US involvement in Pakistani internal politics.

This is par for the course whenever the military gets involved in politics, however it's never happened on the scale that it has during Musharrafs time.

Large scale involvement of foreign powers in domestic politics would be considered outright humiliating to other leaders, not so for this lot.

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We have different "examples" of foreign influence. The best one to see is the Afghani policy of "fierce independence". This is how it goes!

Afghani "independence" under Ruskie commies from late 1960's all the way to late 1980's.
Afghani "independence" under every Tom, Dick, and Harry and the Arabs from 1990's all the way to 2001.

Afghani "independence" under Americans, NATO, and their "supporters" till date.

Sure Pakistan should learn from Afghanis, and not do what they have been doing for the last half century of "independent" of entrances and EXIT-ance.

As for Pakistan, sure we worked with US of A from day 1. Sure Americans may have met our leaders from both opposition and ruling parties. Sure Americans may have advised them how to keep Pakistan stable.

I guess if it was upto Khans of FATA, we would have NATO ruling us just like their "cousins" on the other side of the border. The Khan guy known as "Mayor of Kabul" takes the cake though!

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...When it comes to maintaining our independence or resistence to foreign dictation, our people have placed no value on life unlike you who have bent-over and over to all invaders Aryans or British, from south or north...History is testimony to it...

The difference is Karzai or whoever are honestly convinced that extremism and jehad is a retrogressive tendency and sincerely stands against it...On the other hand what do you do... overtly allies against terror but covertly allies with terror...It is when US of A whips you in the back that you take some measure...

Man alliance between peace loving nations is necessary for neutralizing the centers and bases of ideological, political, and Jehadi Islam, terrorism, and nuclear prolifiration...

We should save our beloved Pakistan from this lack of state vision...

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Not particularly surprising. Sovereignty has been last and now almost officially pakistan has become serf sand slave state. Kudos

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jihadism is a danger to global community. and very clearly, pak is the epicentre of jihad. if we dont want foreign interference, we should get our house in order. otherwise, america and its allies will be fully justified in whatever actions they take with respect to pak. if we are smart, we will cooperate with americans. if we are stupid, we will act like taliban or saddam and our fate will be no different. in the end choice is ours.

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Nawaz Sharif was doing his own ass-kissing of the USA a week before his “return” to Pakistan.

Nawaz reassures US over war on terror](http://dawn.com/2007/09/03/top4.htm)

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It is same in America. We know how much influence Israel has in American politics. Pakistan and America are facing by far the most difficult time in the 21st century and lots is at stake. We need to work together and have government that is on the same page day in and out. America needs us and so do we, lets embrace it rather act childish.

There was a report that showed Bin laden popularity in Pakistan, but it had something else too. American popularity increased during Earthquake tragedy in North western part of Pakistan due to their help. Moreover, many Pakistanis said that America can improve the relations with Pakistan if she gives visa and help increase opportunity in Pakistan.

Let's reject supporting militants and terrorists just because we do not agree with American foreign policies. There are many countries such as Canada, Britain, France and Spain who do not go with American policies but at the same time do not show support for terrorists like Osama. Same with countries like UAE, Qatar and Turkey. Lets show some maturity with our disagreements.

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King Faisal Ji, I beg to differ on "Pakistan is epicenter of Jihad". Epicenters of modern Jihad are Afghanistan and the Arab lands namely Egypt and SA. Sure we have misguided people in certain parts of our country. However we are far from being epicenter.

p.s. This is one of the few occasion I have a difference of opinion. Keep up the good work.

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Run to the made up history dude! Because you can't face the shameless slavery of "proud Afghans".

Even back in history, Afghans were being ruled by Indians before British started "penetrating" the brave Afghans. The border of Afghanistan is called "Durand line" for a reason. Col Durand decided your fate Khan Ji, Col. did.

The wars back in 1830s to 1880s were a testament that Afghans are bunch of tribals mutants to be kicked around by every Singh, Tom, Harry, and Dick.

Unfortunately Afghans have not learned anything in the last 150 years and that's why they are doing slavery in Kabul while millions are living in foreign camps.

So keep these pathetic "Hum brave hain" lectures. They are delusions of sewer infested cities like Kabul or bombed out skeletons of Kandhar and Jalalbad.

ha! Karazi is a mayor of kabul who don't have a say 10 foot outside the city. And you are giving lectures on bravery. Man these leftie Afghans are funny!!!! Even their names are funny like Abdullah Abdullah Abdullah. Dude! his parents were so distraught to see his birth that they could not come up with a second name!

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No, the point is military involvement in politics, and how these generals have compromised our sovereignty.

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and why only thank musharraf, why not also thank BB, after all he cant negotiate with an empty chair now can he?
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If Mushrraf was not so desperate in staying in power there would be no need for negotiating with BB. Let us trust the judgment of our countrymen, and let them decide who is best to lead them.

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Sovereignty and stability of Pakistan is actively being compromised by the pathetic tribals like Mullah Baitoota and the cancerous Arab tentacles emanating from Afghanistan. These dimwits Afghan slaves of Arabs have turned Kabul, Kandhar, and Jalalabad into Afghania Jannat. Now the same $hite is stinking up and destroying Bannu, Kohat, and Sawat.

So give the credit where "credit" is due. OK!

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Absolutely, comparing Pakistan with Israel or other "US allies" is incorrect, the Israelis would never allow American involvement in domestic political negotiations (or Saudi or lebanese!). While leaders have pandered to the US in their policies and approach, the extent to which it's been compromised is unique.

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No, all the credit should be given to the lunkheads in Islamabad who are responsible for making the foreign policy. The Arabs and others did not fell from sky and landed in our tribal areas, but were invited, indoctrinated, and were sent out to implement states policy by our governments, both civilians and military.

Also, let us not absolve our self form disaster that Afghanistan has become...especially given the fact that we have been directly involved in Afghan conflict for last 20 yeas. Soviets left Afghanistan 20 years ago, and for 20 years we have been keeping the conflict going by pitting one faction against another, and even creating Taliban in the name of strategic depth.

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you know such arguments belong to a typical quarrelsome woman, who burns her handia (cooking pot) and then blames it on god, angels, and her neighbor.

The reality is that she was the one who couldn't control the fire, or
worse! wanted to burn her own handia to hide her inability to make something good in her own home.

when every Singh, Tom, Dick and harry were having a go at Afghania, how could we not take a "go" at her? Afghanias invited, demanded money for the services, and we paid for the "good time".

Heck afghanias were taking money from everyone. They took money from Iran, some did from India, some from Turkey, and some from Russia. Then they burned their own cities of Kabul, Kandahar, and Jalalabad. Anyone ignores the Afghan's anti-national tendencies on Pakistan is kind of mistaken dude or dudet!

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Too much hashish can have impact on your cognitive abilities.....

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yup. the politicians fed the religious monster for islamic vote. the religious fed the isi monster with recruits. the isi monster fed the jihadi monster for action. and jihadi monster destroyed and continues to destroy the people in its wake.

why blame just the afghans pathans or any part when the whole things fuped