The Deviation of those who are satisfied with The Qur'an to the exclusion of Hadeeth

It is a matter of regret that according to the intepretation found in theworks of some commentators and modern authors, that it is permissible todo what is stated in the last two examples.

"In the fourth example, if not for the hadeeths, some of which have been mentioned, we would have considered lawful what Allah has made unlawful through the dictum of the holy Prophet (sallaallaahu `alayhi wa sallam) like predatory animals, and the birds which have claws.

And so is the fifth example, if not for the hadeeths, in regard to this question, we would have considered lawful what Allah has prohibited through the words of His Prophet (sallaallaahu `alayhi wa sallam) like gold and silk.

It is for this, some forebearers (As-Salaf) say that ‘Sunnah’ pronounces judgement of The Book (al-Qur’an).]

Consumption of the predatory animals, and the wearing of gold and silk by referring their interpretation only to The Qur’an.

Today, a sect exists, called “Quranites” who comment according to their whims and fancies; without seeking the explanation of the authentic Sunnah. They only accept and follow the Sunnah which suit their desires, the rest they throw behind. The Prophet salaallaahu `alayhi wa sallam is reported to have said that:

“None of you reclines on his bed, the order comes to him on an affair which I am commanded to do or not to do, he says: 'I do not know, what is found in the Book of Allah, we follow.” (Tirmithi). According to another report: "What is found in The Book of Allah as ‘Haram’ we pronounce it ‘haram’ (forbidden). Surely, I am given The Qur’an and its example with it.’ Yet, according to another report: “What the Messanger of Allah has forbidden, Allah has prohibited it.”

It is a matter of regret that one renowned scholar has written a book on Islamic Law and its dogma, and in its preface, he says that he has written it and that he has made reference only to the Qur’an.

This true hadith gives positive evidence that the divine law of Islam - As-Shariah - is not mere Qur’an, but Qur’an and Sunnah. Therefore, whoever hold fast ton one source for reference to the exclusion of the other, he held fast to none of them, since both complement each other.

The Qur’an says “Whoever obeys the Messanger, obeys Allah”. Allah says: “No, by your Lord, they do not believe until they submit to your adjudication in all disputes between them, then they do not find themselves oppressed with your decisions and they completely submit.” (4:65) Again, Allah says: “When a matter has been decided by Allah and His Messanger, it does not behove a believer, man or woman, to have choice in their matter. One who disobeys Allah and His Messanger, he is indeed on a clearly wrong Path.” (33:36) Furthermore, Allah says: “What the Messanger teaches you, take it; and what he forbids you, avoid doing it.”(59:7)

In connection with this verse, I am marveled by what is corroborated by Ibn Masud (Allah be pleased with him) that is, a woman came to him and told him: “You who says: May Allah’s curse be on Al-Namisat [a woman who plucks hers or others eye-brows - to be a thin line - to seek beauty. Such an act is fobidden. It is a mean to change the form of Allah’s creation] and Al-Motanamisat [a woman who asks others to do it for her] and those who tatoo.” He said: “Yes.” She said, “I read the Book of Allah (Al-Qur’an) from its beginning to its end, I did not find what you have said.” He told her: “If you have read it, you would have found it. As for your reading what the Messanger teaches you, take it, and what he forbids you, avoid doing it.” She said: “Certainly”. He said: "I have heard the Messanger of Allah (salaallaahu `alayhi wa sallam) says: “May Allah’s curse be on Al-Namisat.” (Bukhari & Muslim)

—source: islaam.com

This is very surprising that people are fighting on other threads about the matter, and when the matter has been presented to discuss more in detail, they are simply avoiding it...
The difference of opinion is causing by the fact that some people out there do not believe in Sunnah... Well, that is what's been presented here...

It is not befitting for a believing man or woman, when a matter has been decided by Allah and His Messenger, to have any option about their decision." [Soorah al-Ahzaab (33):36]

"There will be a man with full stomach, reclining on his pillow, who will hear a command from me and say, "Let the judge between us (in this matter) be Allah's Book: we obey whetever we find in it." [Know that] indeed, I have been given the Book and, with it, that which is similar to it (the Sunnah)." [Ahmad, Aboo Daawood, Saheeh ul-Jaami`]

"And whatever the Messenger gives you, take it, and whatever he forbids you, leave it. And fear Allah: truly Allah is severe in punishment. " [Qur'an 59:7]

Shaheen,

Question for you, buddy:
Do the sunnis commit SHIRK everyday by following Sunnah attributed to the Prophet (s) by Bukhari & Co making the Prophet into a Partner of Allah?

The quotes in the Quran that you refer to are "accept what Muhammed gives" is a reference to the revelation or the message of Allah, NOT to the prophet's sayings & actions (sunnah).

By making sunnah, proven to be major fabrications & lies, into the meanings of the Quran - you've frozen Islam in the 7th century for all eternity.

I suggest you re-read the thread:THE STATUS OF SUNNAH.! for further elucidation.

And salafi has made good points in that thread...
faceup, you read that again too...

Wama Alaina Illal Balagh

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Originally posted by faceup:
**Shaheen,

Question for you, buddy:
Do the sunnis commit SHIRK everyday by following Sunnah attributed to the Prophet (s) by Bukhari & Co making the Prophet into a Partner of Allah?

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Dear Admin!
Personal attack is unbearable but attack on Islam and making the remarks like "Bukhari & Co" are not worth to notice???...

This is rediculous!

Shaheen,

If you find use of 'Bukhari & Co' inappropriate then pls advise what term would you find acceptable that would convey the same meaning/message?

(Note from Admin: faceup, surely you can come up with a better and more respectable way to address the texts.)

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faceup,

Why be disrespectful? What does it accomplish? Wit does not take the place of knowledge.

We're sure that you have enough skill to be able to use some other way to convey what you have.

Shaheen,

Before you start ranting and raving about something be ridiculous...consider this: Moderators and Admin do not sit here all day long waiting for you guys to break the rules.

We patrol the site as and when we can. If something is neglected for a few hours, surely you have it in you to be patient enough for one of us to get to it. And in the event that some comment in the thousands of posts that we monitor gets by us....you should contact either the moderator or [email protected].

salams Shaheen..
donot be so emotional buddy. the fact u wrote is true .
Those who only follow or say follow Qurran,in my opinion,are misguiden by their AAQL.and it
made them lost .now if one man know quran well then u cannot think from him that sort of thing Cuz in holly book Allah has said
" the best example for u is in Prophet (pbum) "
also .
“take all that prophet pbum give u and leave what he stops from.”
so those who say this " follow holy book " only indeed donot know the holly book them selves.
and also as we observe in daily life that we cannot understand from books only. we must need a teacher to give answers to our questions and queries.So this happens in daily life regarding to subjects we learn or read.But on the other hand how a man’s wisdom be able to understand the message of ALLAH as he cannot do this in worldly subjects.what a pitty ,after that man still say he can understand every thing!!
Man didn’t know the atticates how to speak with God . God ,as He is mercyful has taught
man to talk ,request and demand from his creator.
It is also very important that to understand Quran u first Read the life of MUhammad
pbuh , as he is QURAN-e-NATIQ.A perfact example in any matter.
another exmanple in this rgard is that
if u want to meet the king or P.M of country
you cannot meet him directly ,will you? the answer is NO. you need some bridge or link to reach there .may be some minister, secretary 2 P.M etc. who could tell u the atticates how to behave in front of P.M or King.
NOw in case of Creator of entire universe , how u can say u can contact him diectly without knowing the atticates .
so dear ,Qurran and Sunnah are faces of same coin.Either u select to start from will lead you to the other one .

ok. bye.

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BholaiBadsha,

Dear sis, in the future when you quote from the Quran do kindly refer the surah & aya. Thank you.

Your quote: "the best example for u is in Prophet.."
Allah speaks in similitudes & parables. Does this quote of yours means that Allah, who sent down the Quran for us to follow, wanted us to make the quran EQUAL to the life & sayings of the prophet(s). This is how most have chosen to make that connection. They have in fact made Sunnah into Quran for all eternity.

Our prophet (SAW) was the greatest and his sunnah a testament of the turbulent & harsh times of the 7th century Arabia. Sunnah is not the meaning or interpretation of the Quran!

1) Sunnah was never authorized by the prophet(s)to be written down and followed as the meaning of the Quran.

2) That's exactly what the ulemas did! Not only did they make Sunnah = Quran, but in cases even superior to Quran.

3)By following the 7th century Sunnah, the muslims are forever frozen in the Arabia of the 7th century.

4) If muslims follow Sunnah - the acts & sayings of the prophet(s) and not Quran - the message of Allah then the muslims commit SHIRK. They have made Sunnah into a Partner of God. The sunnah was written by scholars like bukhari, muslim, etc 200+years after the passing way of our Prophet(saw).

5)Since the Sunnah are known to contain fabrications & lies they, in fact, constitute the biggest BIDA'H and Innovation in Islam.

6) So, we not only commit shirk but also bida'h by following the Sunnah.

May Allah guide us to the path of Sirat-al Mustaqeem! Ameen!

dear face up,

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sunnah was never authorized by the prophet (saww) because he knew the evolution of religions. look at the bible. the sunnah of jesus and the thora are mixed up. therefore the holy prophet(saww) did not authorized these things. on the other hand i am not able to accept that my holy prphet(saww) was living against the quran. and there r a lot of things we only leran from sunnah not from quran, because quran gives us just a general princip like basic law in every country. but sunnah is the interpretatin of this basic law and sunnah may not be controvers to quran. it is soooooo logical like mathematics. the islamic priorities are
Quran
Sunnah
Hadith
the Ajmaà
Fiqah
mans healthy conscious
and perhaps so on.
nothing should be against Quran.

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ashik

Have you read the hadiths/sunnah. If not, I suggest you read it and then come back and enlighten us by citing examples. If you have, then fire way; tell about the 'logic' of the sunnahs in this day & age.

Sunnah was done & said in the 7th century "wild & uncivilized arabia" and it may have been practical in the 7th century Arabia and NOT the 21st century or for all eternity. Ever wondered why muslims are so backward, like stuck in the 7th century, now you know because we 're busy following sunnah of the 7th century.

If Allah wanted the ummah to follow the prophet's sunnah of the "7th century wild & uncivilized arabia" for all eternity then Allah would have made an edict to that effect. Can you imagine humanity living in the 25th century according to the ways of today, much less the 7th century.

If you choose to follow the sunnah then remember this there is no room for: Interpretation, Fiqh, Ijmat, Ijthehad because the Sunnah is etched in stone and forever. You should know Fiqh, Ijthehad are DEAD in the water!! The Reasons - Sunnah!

There should be a song that goes:
"living in the arabia of the 7th century and forever."

Faceup,

You always seem to be going on about how muslims of today are backward because they are living according to the sunnah of 7th centuary arabia, but you never supply us with specifics. Why don't you stop beating around the bush and tell us what you want to change about Islam to make it 'millenniumm compliant' ?. Which parts of Sunnah do you think are not appropriate for 21st centuary life ?. Provide us with some examples or even tell everyone what direction 21st centuary Islam should be taking and then we can discuss things further. Repeatedly saying that todays muslims are stuck in the 7th centuary and not providing an alternative option/route is not helping anyone.

ps. note my post does not contain any personal attacks...please keep it the same when replying.

Naz.

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astronomy??? well thats nice to read. i am also interested in astronomy!! gotta discuss with ya???

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Ashik,
re:astronomy

start a new thread in General section about Astronomy and we can discuss as much as you like.

Naz