Let’s review the record of Mirza’s death as recounted by his closest followers and actual witnesses to his death.
As Allah says in the Qur’an:
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And who can be more unjust than he who invents a lie against Allah, or says: “I have received inspiration,” whereas he is not inspired in anything; and who says, “I will reveal the like of what Allah has revealed.” And if you could but see when the wrong-doers are in the agonies of death, while the angels are stretching forth their hands (saying): “Deliver your soul! This day you shall be recompensed with the torment of degradation because of what you used to utter against Allah other than the truth. And you used to reject His signs (revelations) with disrespect!”
(The Holy Quran, Al-Anam, 6:93)
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Let’s see what the Qadianis have to say about this.
What's your point Asif? People die of different reasons. Death is equal on all living beings, it deos not distinguish anything but life itself.
I know someone who was a very pious man, but he was on bed, completely dependant on others for number of years before he died. It will be rediculous to take any inference the way he died.
Some die in pain, and others don't. Does not matter, they just die. Reading too much into the way someone died for any inference or to prove any oblivious point does not make any sense.
Actually Roman it does? If MA Qadiani had been what his followers claim-do you think he would have died in such a disgusitng manner; even average muslims are blessed with saying the kalimah on their deathbead--he wasn't even able to do that!
I don't see anything 'disgusting' in the manner he died. We all have our biological/medical pitfalls and conditions. Ask the doctors and nurses, they are more aware of the medical facts than we are. And there opinion on such conditions are more accurate, objective, and factual.
It's just a reality of life and should not be looked at marked by any particular characteristics. Good people, bad people die all the time, with or without pains, With or without saying Kalima.
It does not sound just to decide one's credibility or piousness based on how he/she died and was or was not able to say Kalima. Definitely illogical measures of inference.
"And of men who take idle tales in exchange for guidance to lead men astray from the path of Allah, without
knowledge, and to make fun of it. For such people there will be a humiliating punishment." (Al Quran 37:6)
note that the books asif have quoted are copyrighted material of the ahmadiyya community, which reserves the right of legal action against anyone involved, which they will inshallah persue very soon.
those who live in glass houses should refrain from throwing stones at others. If someone starts such a thread about your religious figures, what will your reaction be?
your reaction is obvious from what it has been lately!
i repeat, those who live in glass houses should refrain from throwing stones at others!
zman - It does not matter if I am Qadiyani or not, I am completely free to voice my opinion regardless of any religious/sect affliation. I don't identify people from their religious/sect affliations, and sure enough refuse to be identified based on them myself.
Also, I have the absolute right to post any thread/reply on any forum at gupshup as member and/or moderator to reflect upon any topic that I may choose. Being moderator does not mean that I cannot post any thread/reply as a member of this forum.
To all those deniers why do you thnik muslims always say that Allah mera khaatma KHAIR par karna???
And the point is NOT that other people died of similar ilnesses but that the qadiani had said that those who lie about being prophets they die in disgrace.
but your hearts are sealed;
deaf, dumb and blind...is how the Qur'an describes people like you.
As for the j o s qadiani he has no other answer now but to threaten with contacting his lawyers...this is evidence that the Truth hurts!
for information..these quotes are NOT taken from a Qadiani site.
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"And of men who take idle tales in exchange for guidance to lead men astray from the path of Allah, without
knowledge, and to make fun of it. For such people there will be a humiliating punishment."
(Al Quran 37:6)
Dear asif, just review your behaviour, and the personal attacks you make, and ask yourself, can you ever make an ahmedi or for that matter, anyone, believe in your religion?
Dear Asif,
i have read the above said materiel. despite of chanda's very logical answer, i wish to add a few things for u as a sincere fellow.
see, we all r here to discuss about religions and sects to get the right direction for ourselves and not for degrading other religions or else. God, in QURAN says never to abuse even those claiming a share in reigning supreme as gods. do u agree? if yes then please note that u have said mirza sahib ma'loo.. more than once (in ur reply sometime back). this act shows exactly whom u r trying to follow i.e momineen or kuffar. i have a great respect for ur imamm aalee maqam ahmad reza khan sahib. i do disagree ur statements u quote on his behalf but i shall never try to abuse him in any manner like u. on this forum u have pointed out a useless debate and ur quotations doesnot seem to serve the purpose well. it is high time that should try to become a little optimistic. hoping for a positive responce this time!
God bless you.
It is not right to make fun of other religions, that much is true. However, Qadianism or Ahmediyyat does not fall into the category of another religion. It tries to pass itself off as Islam while completely changing the fundamentals of the Deen. That is why it is such an insidious movement. If it could be persuaded that Qadianis stopped calling their religion Islam then these problems could be removed overnight.
Falsifying the religion is the worst form of Kufr and for this reason a hostile reception is certainly justified and in fact required.
Asif's point is that Mirza himself predicted such an undignified end for someome who was a liar. So he is condemned by his own words. This is one case where I have to say that I fully agree with Mirza Sahib.
Jewels it is a shame that the works of Ghulam Mirza are copyrighted. As you know we are encouraged to recite the Qur'an as muslims and to spread it's teachings. How sad taht the Qadianis so jealously guard their books and threaten with lawyers when anybody publishes material. What a joke! You must be getting desperate.
It is people like Mr. Xtreme and Asif who were most probably laughing when 6 million children of Abrahim and Moses were being roasted in Gas Chambers. I am waiting some comments about Jesus nailed on the Cross and dragged through the street. Mr. Xtreme? Asif?
you are saying that Isa deserved to die like he did? I think that’s what you mean. And how about 6 million Children of Abrahim, and How about Hazrat Hussain and his people at Karbala. I am sure you believe that they deserved to die like that. Lets hear some of your examples of why people die the way they do. And yes, tell us about those who are "respected" in Islam. Looking at your replies, the list wont be very long.
P.S. Isa is respected in all religions. He was the son of God to many, and the most righteous of all men. In fact, the most perfect. More than anyone who has ever lived!
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As for the Qadianis---Isa alayhi salaato salaam did NOT die---aap jannat mein zindah hi tashreef lay gaye thay; this is another belief of the Qadianis whicxh is different from the belief of the Muslims--another proof of their being khaarij az Islam and kaafirs.
As for Imam HUssain alayi salaam's martyrdom, that was a glorious martyrdom--is se to Hazrat Imam alayhi salaam se shaan zaahir hoti hai! Wah Imam HUsayn!
You are comparing these people with that imposter Mirza QAdiani??? It is a calamity--as if the Earth was about to burst open!
La hawla wa laa quwwata ilah billah!
I understand that the Mirzais have a right to speak their beliefs on this Forum--but I cannot understand why the other people actually act as if these actually have a leg to stand on???
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