Sorry - just realized this is in Religion forum. Not my place to make comments here.
To people who say that Jesus was born out of wedlock: He was not born out of wedlock. He was just born without the medium of a father. If I remember it correctly, Quran confirmed that Lady Marium was a virgin.
^ buddy, please reread my post. I was referring to what his opponents used to say. that is the reason Quran refutes their claim but that happened around after 600 years.
2 Likes
So if I understand Islam correctly, the basic prerequisites of being a Muslim are:
Believing there is no God but Allah & Mohammed PBUH is His last messenger.
That prophet Mohammed PBUH was the last prophet of God. Now no new prophet will ever come till the judgement day.
One cannot be a Muslim without believing the above. Then how can anyone or a community that believes that a new man was another prophet after Mohammed, how can he/she/they claim to be muslims when they fail to meet the prerequisite of believing in the last prophet.
In case Mirza ghulaam, whatever his name is, is considered to be Jesus. Then first of all, as per many, that theory of second coming of Jesus is flawed. But even if, for a moment we believe that he is considered to be Jesus on his second coming. Again what kind of people will believe him to be Jesus? Or if the consider him to be Mahdi who as per the second coming of Jesus philosophy is supposed to come closer to end of times, who again in their right mind can believe him to be Mahdi or that 100+ years ago was the end of times & where is Jesus then? Why do we not see him even after 100+ years of arrival of Mahdi?
These are are fake made up fairy tales to confuse Muslim followers. A fitna to damage the religion of Islam & it's followers clearly giving a green signal for muslims to believe prophet Mohammed PBUH was not the seal of prophets.
2 Likes
Hadees about Mehdi and 2nd coming of Jesus are authentic and “Sahi”… You should do thorough research before calling something fake..
2 Likes
Sir, I understood you completely, I was just adding to what you said.
Prophet Mohammed (saw) was the seal of prophets. It means that no other person will bring a new book, new religion. But that doesn't mean God will stop sending Good people, pious people, messengers, and guides. All these people will only emphasize what previous Prophets preached. However, God can make any changes he wants.
Regarding Mirza ahmed Qadian, sometimes prolonged, extreme, and chronic constipation can cause sudden death.
completely agree with a minor addition: Allah has already stated that Islam that the holy prophet (pbuh) brought 1400+ years ago is applicable till the end of times so no such change is expected.
you should do unto others what you can yourself tolerate from others. This world has so many different people. the religious sensitivity is not limited to pakistani branded muslims only
.
He is not considered to be Jesus. that is untrue. He is considered awaited and promised mahdi and messiah but not the Jesus himself. Jesus(as) passed away close to 2K years ago.
you say no changes can be made to anything sent by God through His last messenger 1400 years ago. Did you hear that there is a new Quran with new translation written by ahmediyyah community. How do you explain that? Muslims allowed to make changes in the word of God? You can find the said copy of Quran on playstore under the name 'Holy Quran' (By Ahmediyyah community).
No changes has been made to Quranic text by Ahmadis. produce proof if you are truthful. Unlike others, Ahmadis keep Quran at the pivot and also believe that no verse in the Quran-e-majeed has been abrogated. Translation is not word of God and it may differ at certain points
Well nowhere in Quran ALLAH says that Jesus is dead… rather Quran says he was not crucified and Allah raised him up… Then “Sahi Hadees” completes the missing part of the story by stating that Jesus “Himself” will come back to earth near end times…Hence this claim of yours that Jesus passed away 2k years ago does not hold any ground…
Remember “Sahi Hadees” is as important as Quran.
@kchughtai if it has the same translation as before, what is the need or use of bringing out the same translation with the label 'By Ahmediyyah community?? If ahmedis are going to read the exact same translation as muslims have been reading for years then seriously, why would they need to bring out a copy of quranic translation with the specific title 'By Ahmediyyah community'? Doesn't make sense, right?
I just died laughing. 
The name certainly takes on its share of people with crumbling (if any) acumen.
@kchughtai Please stop posting in this thread. Especially if you have zero clue about a topic which is evident through your posts lacking either accuracy or sagacity - or both.
First of all, I don't consider ahmadi's as muslims, not even a sect of Islam. The very first kalima will answer why not. So my overall interest in this topic is zero.
The reason our Bobby Digital posted this was probably in defense of the belief where if you wrongfully claim to be "messenger", "chosen one" or a "God given gift" to the world, Allah will disgrace you (thereby revealing the truth) even in your very last moment. So I get OP's purpose of posting this, given that it's a potential clue where if you were the "chosen one" you would've died in a better circumstance. I totally get it.
However, death is something we should all fear as living beings and more so, if our death occurs in a state of impurity. May Allah grant us all dignity, within and without life.
2 Likes
Secondly, @kchughtai, you said ahmedis perceive that guy as Mahdi. Even though, personally I do not believe that theory about mehdi/second coming of Jesus. But if you do then why seperated the second coming of Jesus part from it and only believe in Mahdi? As per the theory, Jesus will appear during the same time as Mahdi. And that time period is said to be just before the end of times when jesus will fight the gog/magog who would, by then, have the whole world undertheir control and the oppression of the world's people & corruption of gog/magog would be widespread. Didn't that guy Mirza claim prophethood in some year of 1800? Even if he claimed to be Mehfi, not Jesus, 1900 has passed and we are in 2018. So after 2+ centuries, still no appearance of Jesus and no sign of end of times. What would you have to say about that?