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Killing is part of jihad for your information and people die in a war. Islam is peace yes thats right but if people like the united states your brothers i take it bomb the crap out of you its every oppressed individuals right to defend themself.
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even in the martial part of Jihad, there are guidelines and rules. for starters you can not go kill civilians and those who do not want to fight. U only fight against the military.
Dont try to justify butchering of innocents by trying to find a parallel here.
Pir Sahib, Again I find myself completely agreeing with you. That is why I had brought up CAIR, because they claim to be the largest group representing Islam and they do make political statements. If you visit their website you will find Tom Delay's photo with the message to write to him against falwell and company, which I did. I just expected a more forthright stand on the Issues from CAIR and other organisations. And perhaps they will, and I am just not patient enough.
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Dont try to justify butchering of innocents by trying to find a parallel here.
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Listen bachoo i not defending butchering of anybody or finding a parllel try reading the post digest in your mind then reply ok and i told you not to eat so many chillis.
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**ak 47*
jihad means Struggle, not Holy War.
Let's agree/disagree on that. Okay?
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Ummm i would say struggle to remove obstacle to islam is jihad, now this can be verbally by discussing and convincing somebody. Or it can be taking on an army who is obstacle which becomes physical!
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Old lahori u are an american you tell me that in every post its ok i told you many times i am not associated with immigration so you have nothing to fear.
I disagree with you on every point because you do not represent the muslim view that is why you always quote the blurry phrase of moderate muslim what is that similar to "diet coke" islam light or something.
Killing is part of jihad for your information and people die in a war. Islam is peace yes thats right but if people like the united states your brothers i take it bomb the crap out of you its every oppressed individuals right to defend themself.
And finanlly nobody has been brought to justice for this bombing so why you so keen for muslims to take the blame. Enough of this apologetic attitude we have done nothing wrong we are the victims of americas terrorism!
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ak47: The reason I mention I was an american because you said earlier "they will never be happy with you anyway whatever you do." I was simply saying that I was born here and I do not consider them as 'they'. That is the truth. Just like I do not consider you as 'they' either, and that is why I am called confused often. I can understand your anger and your response in anger. Yes it is very admirable on your part to stand up for what you consider just and right, and against what you consider evil and unjust. As the comments of other posters suggest that there may be disagreement between us what we consider right. I simply ask you to think with a calm heart and tell me whether killing civilians is justified by Islam?
Listen bachoo i not defending butchering of anybody or finding a parllel try reading the post digest in your mind then reply ok and i told you not to eat so many chillis.
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chanda why worry about my chillis..as i said worry about your own bean consumption because you are producing a lot of hot air and as always, it stinks of **** :)
I did read your post, but your point was incomplete the topic under discussion was idiotic use of the word jihad, u clarified that jihad does have a military angle to it as well. I further added on that however Jihad has its times, reasons and rules which our banner waving, book banging, frothy mouthed, johnny come lately wanna be jihadis forget :)
if its a US issue I expectthat groups like ISNA and CAIR would speak out against it. How much they are heard is not completely up to them based on how much the media picks it up.
At the same time, I would nto want to jump on every litle topic whether it is because some mulsim was allegedly harassed somewhere or whether some idiot said something idiotic at some event or at some show.
Its multiple responsibility here. The organizations should speak out when its needed, the media should pick it up, and the people should seek out the truth themselves. I have had colleagues and friends ask me about such issues, and even maintenance guys who realized I was muslim and was approachable enough that they could ask me some stuff.
The sad thing is that killing of inoccent poelp has been made legal by the West goverments. The west have been killing people all over the world just to acheive thier selfish economic,stragic and politcal intrest. the irony is that the West dont give a damn about humanity thats why they killed 250,000 with a single nuclear bomb, carpeted bomb a nation with orange gas, and say the deaths of 500,000 due UN sanctions is a PRICE WORTH PAYING FOR!
Indeed these are dark days for mankind when the international norm is the law of the jungle, the strongest survive by butchering the weak.(i.e USA and it allies acting as if they OWN the world)
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I dont think these type ofactions are the exclusive domain of the west. other countries have done the same, suppressed, oppressed, and killed ppl.
however that is a tangent, so lets just keep this on topic, Thanks.
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No doubt other countries do kill,opress,surpress but the facts are that these are mostly approved and given the nod of wink by the western nations. And naturally when people live under these harsh condtions they will react.
