i dont want to google it…
just want to know how many people have heard of them…
and more so, what r the contents of these scrolls…
so far all i have summed up is that they talk of the coming of the two messiahs…
Re: the dead sea scrolls....
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i dont want to google it....
just want to know how many people have heard of them....
and more so, what r the contents of these scrolls....
so far all i have summed up is that they talk of the coming of the two messiahs....
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Dear armughal,
What little I know...and as far as I know...
Fragments are still being pieced together and translated.
Some of the fragments pieced and translated contain parts of the "old testiment" book of Isiah I believe.
Some non-biblical works thought to be by essenes..
I don't know that there is definate concensus of all they contain..mainly various scholarly opinion.... but I haven't explored the subject for a few years.
Re: Re: the dead sea scrolls....
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Some non-biblical works thought to be by essenes..
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can u elaborate on the sentence....
especially on the last word....
I have heard of them but havent read the actual scrolls in any detail.
I think they were found by some arab shepard in a cave around 1947 (or something). I think they are the oldest biblical manuscripts and date back to around the first century (jesus time). I remember reading about coming of two messiahs (which most probably refer to Jeses :as: Muhammad :saw: ), but dont know much details about it.
One interesting thing (if I remember correctly) is that after the find they were kept hidden by the Israelis for 40 years or something, and they only released it after other people put pressure on them.
What possible reasons could there have been to hide them, what were they scared off?.
I found a few links anyway, just incase people are interested.
http://www.plaintruth.org/chapters/chapter07.htm Home - Mode TheReligion
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Dear Armughal,
Perhaps my wording was off. I see my spelling was.
Some scholars believe that the archeological site at Qumran was populated by a group called Essenes. These scholars believe it was the Essenes that hid/stored the scrolls in the Qumran Caves.
Non biblical* texts perhaps wrong term.
The seven books first found and refered as Dead Sea Scrolls:
Manual of Discipline*
Habakkuk Commentary
Two Isaiah Scrolls
Scroll of Hymns*
Scroll of Warfare of the sons of Light and the Sons of Darkness*
Midrash on Genisis 12-15 (firstly refered as The Lamech Scroll)
Additional scroll fragments have been found in the caves near Qumran, including fragments of books that are not in the bible today but probobly considered sacred by the Essenes.
This info is from a book I purchased some years ago called:
The Lost Years of Jesus Revealed. The authors hypothesis that Jesus may have been familiar with the Essenes.
Here is links:
http://home.flash.net/~hoselton/deadsea/cave01.htm
http://www.ibiblio.org/expo/deadsea.scrolls.exhibit/Library/commrule.html
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perhaps it wud be better to know more about the message they had in them....
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Dear Armughal,
This is very good site on dead sea scrolls. It includes english translation of Battle sons of Light…darkness (War Scroll), and Manual of Disipline.
However you must bear in mind that it’s possible that books featuring interpretations on the scrolls possibly slanted toward the religious background of the author. So one must consider and form own conclusions.
I believe actual translations were done by various scholars religious and non religious language experts whose opinions sometimes vary. I believe translations of fragments are still on-going.
I think that one can purchase volumes in original language but cost is prohibitive…and of course one must understand ancient Hebrew, Greek and also I believe Aramaic.
i dont know why but i seem to think that there cud be some sort of link between these people who were the holders of the scrolls and the Ashaab-e-Kahf (the people of the cave)… 
just a thought…
u dont have to rip it apart and throw it back at me…
Dear Armughal,
I’m not familiar with the people of the cave. Scholars believe that an archeological site near Qumran Caves was a settlement of the Essenes who are believed to have hid/stored the dead sea scrolls and the many additional scrolls and scroll fragments recovered sinse the initial find by the Bedouin shepards.
However, I would not discount idea that an Islamic story relating to “people of the cave” might refer possible to the Essenes as their settlement was near caves and they obviously used them.
Does not seem unusual that Mohammad/Islam might have been familiar with some historical knowledge of Essenes.
I’m no religious scholar by any means but discounting the major differences between Muslim, Jew, Christian beliefs such as:
Isaac - Ishmael - Jesus..
I think there still remain some similarity of ideals even if our various accepted versions of the stories differ.
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One interesting thing (if I remember correctly) is that after the find they were kept hidden by the Israelis for 40 years or something, and they only released it after other people put pressure on them.
What possible reasons could there have been to hide them, what were they scared off?.
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Dear M,
That the scrolls were kept hidden by Israelis I believe is an old wives tale.
The scrolls were found in 1947. I have a book that mentions the scrolls an portions in some detail that was originally published in 1962.
The museum which displays some of the dead sea scrolls, "The Shrine of the Book" was opened in 1965.
Some people may have construed that the Israelis kept the scrolls hidden....but the fact is that because of the preciousness and fragility of the scrolls only the very skilled biblical and language scholars were granted access.
I do believe there was controversy over access to the scrolls in that all biblical scholars, language experts have access... however it is only today that the technology exists to digitize ancient texts without (presumably) damaging them.