The concept of being Stoned to Death

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Re: The concept of being Stoned to Death

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Agreed.

Partially agreed. Sometimes an Ijmah is required to understand ahadith.

This is where I disagree. The type of music is not specified in the ahadith and its characteristics are understood from other principles in the Quran and Sunnah.

Anything which lends itself to waste of time or a bad cause is what we should refrain from. You can’t simply make it haram. For example, if your spending time learning a musical instrument then that is to no avail in the cause of Allah SWT. You would simply be wasting your time when it could have been spent better in repentance or rememberance of Allah SWT or even earning a living through halal means.

The issue of music being forbidden or disliked depends on the purpose of the music. If your music is being accompanied with belly dancers or girls gone wild type of situations then clearly it is serving as a means to propagate Fawahish and that is forbidden. Take the hadith for example when the Prophet SAW let people have music on the occasion of the Eid, if it were haram just because it was music then can we imagine the Prophet SAW indulging in something haram, never. The purpose of the music was to celebrate Eid, its our festival in which we celebrate and be thankful. The music itself on such an occasion had not purpose of its own other than adding a little enjoyment to the occasion or to promote the occasion of Eid.

Now if you go to a resturant where people often date and you have very romantic atmosphere, soothing music, then ofcourse the purpose of the music there is to enhance the atmosphere of dating, the music being played is accompanied with a purpose. To me that is forbidden because it is being used to promote something that is forbidden.

The examples of Qawwali etc, is not less tainted either. Is that not a waste of time? What is it they achieve out of it and yet they are performing either to entertain people of make money of our their show. To me this is more disliked or forbidden as compared to playing music on the occasion of an Eid. Wouldn’t these people who are singing Qawwali and behaving as majnoons or as if they are in a Nasheeli state while singing be better off offering a couple of rakah Nafl or doing charity work or repenting than doing this. There is no benefit to it.

very good point and approach…i once heard that …umar …on the night …with camel riding…with his slave …and slave sung a song …till morning…and then umar said that …now top.its time for fajr prayer…

qawalli …i once read that…done by Chisti aulia..to attract hindus to islam…now-a-days…yes…its wasting of money and time…but yet..with qawali…representing hazrat ali(ra)…or prophet(pbuh)…or any wali…also give some impact…specially that of sabir very famous qawaali about prophet(pbuh)…which is used to tele cast in Ramzan Sahri transmission on PTV …

but…still…now-a-days…99.99% music is used to enhance your internal desires…isnt this the case ???

whether bolly-wood…holly-wood…or pakistani punjabi…urdu ,eevery song…compare milli songs created every year with that of other songs…in Pakistan or in whole the world…

so , as you said that music in restaurant enhances the atmosphere of dating…similarly…todays music enhances the internal desires of man/woman by poetry…and effect of man voice on man and vice-versa…remebering…in Quran

*woman stiff voice is required…
*she cannot give azan…
*she cannot interrupt imam of masjid on any mistake except by her bangles…

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So…when Allah not given permission in Azan and Masjid matters…can it be allowed to woman sing songs with love…poetry..describing** “****Sarapa”…**of body…and “Wardatai” of hearts..of urdu poetry…the taste of Intezaar…
Hijr ki ratai…wasal ki ghatai…teerai nazar…dard-e-jiggar…etc etc

Is there anything in songs except other mentiod things…???

Similarly…a world known fact that is…the effect of man good voice on woman is much greater than vice-versa…its psycholigically proved…which is called “Gambheer Awaz” means manly voice…and believe it…many girls love any particular beacuse of voice…

One more thing ..when the voice impact comes…the second and **MUST **stage is watching face…but it is not also allowed except one glance…

Remeber…when Moosa used to talk with Allah Almighty…atlast the stage came when he said…Ya Arani…O Allah ..show you to me…Allah said…Lan Tarani…You cannot see me…i think..i have written the correct arabic…not sure…

anyways…after listening ..watching must comes…but Moosa could bear it…as we all know it…

So…voice and face go in parallel…

as both are not allowed there is also barrier here in todays 99% songs…

Also we know that…its order in Quran to ask anything from wifes of Prophet(pbuh) behind the curtain…

plus…such type of poertry is also prohibited in islam**…as in Quran of Sura Shaora…**

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So…question is which music allowed…

Pakistan zindaabad type and national songs…
or
Nasheeds …

So…from any angel…you take about presesnt day songs situation…a big question mark…comes forward…