The Black Stone

What is the significance of the Black Stone? And its history? I have heard all sorts of things from people about its origin, and would like to read some definitive sources about it. If anyone has links, please post. Thanks.

Here's some Ahadith but I don't know how authentic they are.

Nabi (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) is reported to have said that the Hajr-e-Aswad descended from Jannat whilst it was pure white, but the sins of man turned it black. (Mishkaat pg.227; Qadeemi)

According to the Hadith, Hadhrat Abdullah ibn Abbaas (Radhiallaahu Anhu) narrates that Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) said, 'Hajr-e-Aswad (the black stone) was revealed from Jannat and it was whiter than milk. Thereafter, the sins of man had blackened it.' (Tirmidhi vol.1 pg.166; HM Saeed)

In another Hadith, Abdullah ibn Amr (Radhiallaahu Anhu) says, 'I heard the messenger of Allah saying, 'Verily the Rukn (Hajr-e-Aswad) and the Maqaam (Ibraahim) are two precious stones from amongst the precious stones of Jannat. Allah Ta'ala took away its Noor (light). Had Allah not taken away its light then these two would have brightened up the east and west.' (Ibid)

According to some narrations, the Hajr-e-Aswad was originally placed in its place by Jibraaeel (Alayhis salaam) and Ibraahim (Alayhis salaam) had built the Ka'abah upon it.' *(Dars-e-Tirmidhi vol.3 pg.37). *

The Black Stone which is the Shiv Emblem (also known as Sange Aswad which is a corrupted form of the Sanskrit word Sanghey Ashweta--meaning non-white stone) still survives in the Kaba as the central object of Islamic veneration.

The Shiv Ling at The Kaba. It was broken in seven places and now is held together by a silver band.

All other Vedic Idols could be found buried in the precincts or trampled underfoot in labyrinthine subterranean corridors if archaeological excavations are undertaken. The Black Stone has been badly mutilated, its carved base has disappeared and the stone itself is broken at seven places. It's parts are now held together by a silver band studded with silver nails. It lies half buried in the South Eastern portion of the Kaba Wall. The term Kaba itself is a corruption of the Sanskrit word Gabha (Garbha + Graha) which means Sanctum.

yeah yeah everything in the world was stolen from the hindus and all names and words r somehow derived from the hindu language :rolleyes:

well brahma was Abraham, so its all kewl :)

i like to know where we can find Sayar-ul-Okul' treasured in the
Makhtab-e-Sultania library in Istanbul, Turkey. i lke to read english
translation of that book which contains references to kabba.

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The Black Stone which is the Shiv Emblem (also known as Sange Aswad which is a corrupted form of the Sanskrit word Sanghey Ashweta--meaning non-white stone) still survives in the Kaba as the central object of Islamic veneration.

The Shiv Ling at The Kaba. It was broken in seven places and now is held together by a silver band.

All other Vedic Idols could be found buried in the precincts or trampled underfoot in labyrinthine subterranean corridors if archaeological excavations are undertaken. The Black Stone has been badly mutilated, its carved base has disappeared and the stone itself is broken at seven places. It's parts are now held together by a silver band studded with silver nails. It lies half buried in the South Eastern portion of the Kaba Wall. The term Kaba itself is a corruption of the Sanskrit word Gabha (Garbha + Graha) which means Sanctum.
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*Originally posted by Fraudz: *well brahma was Abraham, so its all kewl
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Hmmm, interesting... Could be true, maybe Hindus were once Believers too but then they started worshipping the black stone together with other idols.

God says in the Quran:

And verily We have raised in every nation a messenger, (proclaiming): Serve Allah and shun false gods [16:36]

...except the fact that islam is a recent religion and so facts of the Kaba really implies it derived from the ShivLingh rather than the other way around

I wanted add - it is also well supported by the fact that old islamic kings routinely turned places of worship of other religions into their own and built moques where temples synagogues and cathedrals stood

However, no muslim will accept this theory because any credence to this theory will mean the entire islamic world has been really praying to a Hindu God Lord Shiva. this obviously goes against everything in their scriptures including idol worship (this is a point I don't understand by the way because the Khaba is still an idol, whether the ShivLingha theory is true or not). Even attempts to investigate are not allowed (as happened to the ill-conceived ill-executed Parker expedition when they tried to dig under the Khaba and were told to pack off)

jagjeevan however the basic belief of islam is that it was teh faith of adam and noah and abraham. the history of kaaa links to abraham as well. so the question with it being a "recent" religion kinda dunn work out.

it can reverse the argument that hindus are praying to whatabraham and adam brought from god.

anyways, does'nt really matter.

so may be abraham prayed to Shiva too! the point is, unless research is allowed and conducted and somehow we chance upon some irrefutable evidence, all this will only be theories built on interpretations based scriptures that in turn are based on mere mortal assumption. a simpler way to say this: believe whatever the heck you want to believe in. that's why tolerance of other religions and faith systems is stressed in true religions.