The Big Sunni Shia dialogue on the Friends Show !

[Ibn_Sadique]

@BOY-NICE

salam…
No there is a big difference what Sunnies do and what we Shias ‘of the present age’ do. We do consult the ulema but having faith in the existence of Imam on earth while Sunnies dont. Again, the main difference comes in the sources from where ulema derive the things, as you mentioned only Quran and Hadith while we our ulema consult to the text of the Imams of Ahlulbayt [as] too. Thus, both things can never be comapred.

Salaam…

That’s exactly what I mean. The hidden Imam doesn’t really play any part in your religious needs. Just like Sunnis you have to approach the Ulema for guidance and Imam’s services are not available.

Of course the paths of sourcing is different but the source is the same.

@BOY-NICE

Imam never said the whole book is “sahih” or each and every thing init is absolutely authentic, thats your personal interpretation to that. The book was referred to Kafi i.e. ‘sufficient’ and I dont think any dictionary in the world would have synonym of word ‘sufficient’ as ‘authentic’ . So you are really mixing two things up.

The Imam does NOT have to the use the word ‘sahih’. Accordding to you he is infallible, so when having reviewed Al Kafi, he says that Al Kafi is sufficient for my Shia doesn’t that tacitly imply that all in there is ok from him and that he has given his seal of approval.

If all was not Sahih therein (Al Kafi) is the Hidden Imam not obligated as a infallible Guide to correct the the Al Kafi while he was reviewing it.

@BOY-NICE

Now I dont really think that Prophet [s] should have worried about someone in our age calling His [s] stance to be ‘strange’. Why really he should have mentioned it, any good reason? And if you are uneasy with the stance of Prophet [s] for not letting you know the name of an individual then you or for that matter anyone here can also bring a number of objections over Holy Prophet [s] for not letting us know various other names. So I dont think your objection is logical.

BOY-NICE – According to you (Shias) the concept of Imamate is as important if not more as Prophethood. He mentioned all the Prophets that were related to that area (Middle East) but not mention of Imams just prior to him indicates that there is no concept of Imamate in Islam.

But as a Shia you have right to your beliefs.

@BOY-NICE

I am not aware of any such thing [about Hatim Tai] but even if that is true, then Prophet [s] didnt mention various other pious saints this earth has seen, that doesnt mean they never existed. Moreover, your conjecture [on Shia belief of Imamate] that just because prophet didnt mention the names of the Hujjahs before him while he mentioned those to come after him will negate the whole concept of Imamate as null and void, is totally your personal view which to me is quite illogical. To us, Prophet [s] mentioned the source of guidance after Him [s] and that is sufficient for us, we are not concerned with the names of those Hujjahs who came before Prophet [s], because that will backfire on you as well, because as you know we being a Muslim have to have faith in all of the prophets and we cannot reject any of the prophet Allah has ever sent on earth, but do we know names of each and every prophet? Hope that clarifies the question.

Refer to my reply to previous to above quotation that should be sufficient for this too.

@BOY-NICE

What you are doing is mere interpretation of the verses. If my memory serves me, then what I had read long time back [since its been a long time that I have just stopped reading books etc] then there were some disciples of Isa [as], they might have been the Hujutullahs of their respective time, because as I said, it really doesnt matter if we do not know the names of the each and every Hujutullah and for that matter each and ever Prophet this earth has seen [remember there were 124000 prophjets].

BOY-NICE By you saying that I am merely interpreting the verses doesn’t mean that you are right.

By quoting the relevant ayahs I proved to you the Quran mentions the very person who was sent by Allah (swt) for guidance. For the Middle East this was relevent. That’s why all the Prophets mentioned in the Quran are Middle Eastern.

Mentioning other Prophets not known in area would have made no sense.

Prophet’s (saw) silence about Imams just previous to him indicates that there is not concept of Imamate in Islam. Had it been he would have mentioned a immediate few.

But then as a Shia you are entitled to your views.