Wow, a normal salafi gone over the top like always.
Listen, I don't blindly follow anything or anyone. I follow the Hanafi madhab. Which is compromised with Quran and Sunnah. Abu Hanifa got proofs from different sources to derive to the exact saying or exact action of the Rasool. Quran is the Quran, in the Hanafi madhab or any other madhab for that matter, nothing is against the Quran.
Maybe YOU should be the one who should look at history along with Wasim to figure out if people following something that just came around 100 years ago are on the right path.
Sister if people would understand this simple concept it would be a different story. But infact, they dont wont to get daleel from other sources.
Infact they slander that we can believe anyone of the Madhabs.
Can we forget those times when the Hanifees were told to prosecute the Shafiees. Now where is the concept of Following one Madhab, when the above declaration was done and disrespect was shown to other Madhab.
I can quote scores of it.
Did Imam Abu Hanifa ask them to follow a particular Madhab only, get the evidences again.
hahaha no thanks... im not into that stuff... (hiding in the mosques, doing zikr and eating curry) seem like a bunch of secularists if u ask me who think islam is all about knockin on peoples doors and calling them for salah
What you think the Prophet did? Did he chat online saying this is bidah that is bidah? HE INVITED THE PEOPLE TOWARDS ALLAH!
Curry, knocking on dooors.. all these misconceptions you guys have about the Tablighi Jamaat.. come on try it and you will see what wrong you are saying.
ok akhi, but u know some of abu hanifah wat he allowed contradicted things in the sunnah.. and he also said that an authentic hadith is my sunnah
if for example.. in abu hanifah madhab people dont do the rafaa'dain (raising of hands before going into ruk'u3 and before going into sujood... do u not do that too? the prophet SAW said... 'pray as u see me praying' not pray as u see ur imam praying, prophet sunnah was to do the rafada'in and u get hanafi's who dont want to cos abu hanifa didnt... wat u got to say about that?
Cricket palya i will have to tel you now,
Listen to this Tableegh Jamaat was a organ of Deobandi.
Who started Deoband Qasim Nanotwi in 1868.Who did he take bayath to Imamdur Muhajir Makki.
Who else took allegiance, Rashid Gangohi, Ashraf Ali Thanvi who wrote Bahistte Zever(Heavenly ornaments)
Now Tableegh Jammaat is an organ of Deobandi,
Mohamed Ilyas first Amir know as hazratjee, Moulana Ilyas was much influenced by another prominent
Deobandi scholar – Moulana Ashraf Ali Thanvi about whom he used to say, “Hazrat Moulana Ashraf Ali Thanvi has done a great service (to the religion). It is my heart’s desire that the teachings should be his and the Manhaj (methodology) of Dawah (propagation) be mine, so that this way his teachings become well-known.”
Then Mohamed Zakariyah kandalwi son in law to Mohamed Ilyas wrote Fazail e Amal. Until your next reply. The worst is that Barelvis, Deobandis and Tableegh Jammat all follow Haneefi Madhab. Now thats important how come they have different aqeedah but follow one Madhab.
Now Tableegh Jammaat is an organ of Deobandi,
Mohamed Ilyas first Amir know as hazratjee, Moulana Ilyas was much influenced by another prominent
Deobandi scholar – Moulana Ashraf Ali Thanvi about whom he used to say, “Hazrat Moulana Ashraf Ali Thanvi has done a great service (to the religion). It is my heart’s desire that the teachings should be his and the Manhaj (methodology) of Dawah (propagation) be mine, so that this way his teachings become well-known.”
Then Mohamed Zakariyah kandalwi son in law to Mohamed Ilyas wrote Fazail e Amal.Until your next reply.The worst is that Barelvis, Deobandis and Tableegh Jammat all follow Haneefi Madhab. Now thats important how come they have different aqeedah but follow one Madhab.
Dude, if you can't speak english, then say it in Urdu. I might understand it better.
Your statements are all mumble jumbled..all mixed up.
Your statements are all mumble jumbled..all mixed up.
Please say it in concise paragraphs.
I like your agression, go ahead each word is written immaculately but, you just wish so that I come in front of you right now.
Barelvis follow Imam Abu Haneefah, they commit shirk.
Deobandis, follow Imam Abu Haneefah, they say they dont commit shirk, but do sit in front of the Mazhars and try to get answers from the Dead.
Tableegh Jammaat, follow Imam Abu Haneefah, dont commit shirk, but do sit down in Kashf.
All the above follow one Madhab Haneefi, but have different aqeedah.
Confusing, whether the above aqeedas were found in one documented book of Imam Abu Haneefa, when he is never written any documented material.
Even if he had written you mean to say, naudhbillaah he committed shirk, sat for kashf.
My dear boy, keep questioning look at your websites, this is slander in the name of Abu Hanifa.
We love him a lot.
Barelvis follow Imam Abu Haneefah, they commit shirk.
Deobandis, follow Imam Abu Haneefah, they say they dont commit shirk, but do sit in front of the Mazhars and try to get answers from the Dead.
Tableegh Jammaat, follow Imam Abu Haneefah, dont commit shirk, but do sit down in Kashf.
All the above follow one Madhab Haneefi, but have different aqeedah.
Confusing, whether the above aqeedas were found in one documented book of Imam Abu Haneefa, when he is never written any documented material.
Even if he had written you mean to say, naudhbillaah he committed shirk, sat for kashf.
My dear boy, keep questioning look at your websites, this is slander in the name of Abu Hanifa.
We love him a lot.
I do agree that there are some groups that have different things that they create. BUT please do not assume that just because they follow Imam Abu Hanifa, they are like this.
We are Muslims, there are blacksheeps in every community.
Alhamdulillah 85% of all Muslims follow madhabs. Numerous hadiths saying that follow the majority. Refer to my latest thread about following fiqh.
We do not raise the hands, not because Imam Abu Hanafi didn't, BUT because the Prophet didn't raise the hands on most occasions!
Just like you have the Shafis who DO raise the hands..
The Malikis don't raise the hands.. vise versa
In the end all four madhabs are correct.
Volume 001 : Purification and Prayer. Fiqh 1.130.
Sunnah acts of prayer, When to Raise the Hands.
One must raise the hands at about the same time he makes the takbir. Nafa' related that when Ibn 'Umar would begin his prayer he would say the takbir and raise his hands. The Prophet also did this. (Related by al-Bukhari, an-Nasa'i and Abu Dawud.) He also reported that the Prophet, upon whom be peace, would raise his hands upon making the takbir until they were parallel to his shoulders or close to that. (Related by Ahmad and others.)
As for raising the hands just before the takbir, Ibn 'Umar reported, "When the Prophet, upon whom be peace, stood for prayer, he would raise his hands until they were parallel to his shoulders and would make the takbir. (Related by al-Bukhari and Muslim.) A hadith from Malik ibn al-Huwairith has the wording, "Make the takbir and then raise your hands." (Related by Muslim.) This implies that the takbir comes before the raising of the hands, but Ibn Hajr says, "I have not met anyone who holds that the takbir comes before the raising of the hands."
It is preferred to raise one's hands while going to bow and upon coming up from the bow Twenty-two companions narrated that the Prophet, upon whom be peace, did so. Reported Ibn 'Umar, "When the Prophet, upon whom be peace, stood to pray, he would raise his hands until they were the same height as his shoulders and then he would make the takbir. When he wanted to bow, he would again raise his hands in a similar fashion. When he raised his head from the bowing, he did the same and said, 'Allah hears him who praises Him.' (Related by al-Bukhari, Muslim and al-Baihaqi.) Says al-Bukhari, "He would not do that when he was going to prostrate nor when he came up from his prostration." Al-Bukhari also says, "He would not raise his hands between the two prostrations." Al-Baihaqi has the addition, "He did not stop doing that until he met Allah." Ibn al-Madini said, "In my opinion, that hadith is a proof for the whole creation. Whoever hears it must act by it. There is nothing wrong with its chain."Al-Bukhari wrote a pamphlet on this topic, and related from al-Hassan and Humaid ibn Hilal that the companions used to (perform their prayers) in this manner. On the contrary, the Hanafiyyah say that one should only raise his hands at the beginning. This is based on the hadith of Ibn Mas'ud, who reported, "I prayed with the Prophet, upon whom be peace, and he raised his hands only once." This is a weak opinion, and many hadith scholars have criticized this report. Ibn Hibban, though, said that this is the best report.
The people of Kufah narrated that the Prophet, upon whom be peace, did not raise his hands upon bowing or rising. But, in fact, this is a very weak statement, for it contains many defects and is therefore invalid. Even if we accept it, as at-Tirmizhi did, it does not invalidate the authentic and well-known hadith mentioned earlier. The author of at-Tanqih says that perhaps Ibn Mas'ud forgot that the Prophet, upon whom be peace, raised his hands. Az-Zaila'i writes in Nasb ar-Rayah, quoting the author of at-Tanqih, "It is not strange that Ibn Mas'ud may have forgotten that. Ibn Mas'ud forgot some things from the Qur'an that the Muslims after him never differed about, and those are the last two surahs of the Qur'an. He forgot how two people are to stand behind the imam, that the Prophet prayed the morning prayer on the Day of Sacrifice (during the hajj) at its proper time, how the Prophet, upon whom be peace, combined his prayers at 'Arafah, the position of the forearms and elbows during the prostration, and how the Prophet, upon whom be peace, recited, 'And Him who created the male and the female.' If it is possible that Ibn Mas'ud forgot all of these things concerning the prayer, is it not possible that he also forgot about raising the hands?"
Nafa' related that when Ibn 'Umar stood for the third rak'ah, he would raise his hands, an action which he ascribed to the Prophet. (Related by al-Bukhari, Abu Dawud and an-Nasa'i.) While describing the Prophet's prayer, 'Ali said that when he stood from the two prostrations, he would raise his hands until they reached his shoulders and make the takbir.
Women have to do this the same way. Says Ash-Shaukani, "Know that this sunnah is to be done by men and women. There is no proof to show that there is any difference between them on this point. There is also no proof to show that they are to raise their hands to different levels."
allah swt says in the quran
do not follow the majority cos majority ppl going to be in hellfire
so no such thing as following majority in islam
there u go again wiv yr blind following
anyways no time for this
clear cut answers u getting but stil rejecting to leave the batil
Imaams Abu Dawud, al-Tirmidhi, Nasaaie (RA) have recorded in their Sunans that once Sayyiduna Abdullah ibn Mas’ood (Radhiallaahu Anhu) said, ‘Should I not show you the Salaat of Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam)?’ He, then stood up and he raised his hands for the first time (for Takbir-e-Tahrima). Thereafter, he did not raise his hands. (Sunan Abu Dawud pg.109; Sunan al-Tirmidhi pg.58; Sunan Nasaaie vol.1 pg.158). The narration has been classified as authentic by Imaam Nimawi [ra]. (Aathaar-us-sunan pg.133)
Sayyiduna Barraa ibn Aazib [Radhiallaahu anhu] reported that when Rasulullah [Sallallahu alayhi Wasallam] used to commence his Salaat, he would raise his hands upto close to his ears and thereafter he would not repeat this act (of raising the hands) in Salaat.’ (Tahaawi vol.1 pg.132; Sunan Abi Dawud Hadith109). Allaamah Muhammad Yusuf al-Binnori [ra] has stated that this Hadith is an authentic argument (see Ma’arifus-sunan vol.2 pg.493)
Saalim [Radhiallaahu anhu] reports from Sayyiduna Abdullah ibn Umar [Radhiallaahu anhu] that Rasulullah [Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam] used to raise his hands at the beginning of the Salaat and he would not repeat it. (al-Khilaafiyyaat of Imaam al-Bayhaqi)
Among the Sahaaba [Radhiallaahu anhum] who did not practice on Raf-ul-yadayn are: Sayyiduna Umar ibn al-Khattaab [Radhiallaahu anhu], Sayyiduna Aliy [Radhiallaahu anhu], Sayyiduna Abdullah ibn Mas’ood [Radhiallahu anhu], Sayyiduna Abu Hurayra [Radhiallaahu anhu], Sayyiduna Barraa ibn Aazib [Radhiallaahu anhu] Sayyiduna Ka’ab ibn Hujrah [Radhiallaahu anhu]. (Ma’arifus-sunan vol.2 pg.464)
Those Mujtahideen that are of the opinion that Raf-ul-yadayn should only be practiced at the beginning of Salaat have further argued that they accept the Ahadith that prove Raf-ul-yadayn at the various postures of Salaat to be authentic. However, those have been abrogated by other Ahaadith, the act of Raf-ul-yadayn remained the practice of Rasulullah [Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam] for a while, but later on it was gradually abandoned. (I’elaa-us-sunan vol.3 pg.79)
Those Mujtahideen that are of the opinion that Raf-ul-yadayn should only be practiced at the beginning of Salaat have further argued that they accept the Ahadith that prove Raf-ul-yadayn at the various postures of Salaat to be authentic. However, those have been abrogated by other Ahaadith, the act of Raf-ul-yadayn remained the practice of Rasulullah [Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam] for a while, but later on it was gradually abandoned. (I’elaa-us-sunan vol.3 pg.79)
Tell me why was it abandoned go ahead and tell me.
Have to sleep buddy, its time.
LOOK YEA IM GETTING SICK OF THIS (im in a sick mood today)
I DONT CARE WHAT U PEOPLE SAY ANYMORE
FLIPPING... HEK LIKE WASTE ALL UR TIME DEBATING ABOUT MATHDABS, ihate long threads... why dont people just get it instead of debating and arging all the time?? why cant people jsut accept the evidence instead of digging around to find things that suit their desire and logic.
look cricket player get over, fine then follwo ur madhab if thats what u feel like doing but all im sayingis that we all should sort most importantly ur aqeedah out first and this brother wasim seems like he can teach us a few things about aqeedah n manhaj, p.s. being with the tablighi jamah aint going to get u anywhere.. personally me, i find that these people u like to label as salafi's are more sound when it comes to matters relating to aqeeedah
most important thing of today that us muslims must correct is our understanding of tawheed.. cos this the foundation of imaan, no point doing anything or following anything (in ur case madhab) if u dont have that correct
wassalams
may Allah SWT guide us all ameen
How are you all? I will not say anything unless I study deeply and do a lot of research about it. All I can say is I am a Sunni. I only ask dua to Allah Tallah. I follow Quran and Sunnah. But I do not know if all 4 Imams are correct or not. This is what I am going to research about InshaAllah. There were 4 Imams that gathered on 4 each places in the world after our Prophet Hadrat Muhammed (Peace Be Upon Him) left the world. The Prayer changed a little bit with raising hands and saying Allahu Akbar before Ruku and before our Prophet Hadrat Muhammed (Peace Be Upon Him) left, that's what I heard. But what about other countries of the world that our Prophet went to spread Islam and taught people to pray, with the same style that use to pray before. Although the way of praying was a little bit changed. But people from rest of the world could not believe the new way of praying because they said, our Prophet taught us to pray this way. I wonder how come Bralvis and Deobandi follows the same Imam Abu Hanifa, when their Aqeedah is different.
Brother Hafsa Al-Ansaria, not end of the thread. This debate could last forever.